I suspect it's not an either/or question. Walternate wants to save his world; but I think there's also an element of punishing those responsible for kidnapping his son and putting his world in danger, as well. He's not above some cruelty.
Willow: Something evil-crashed to earth in this. Then it broke out and slithered away to do badness.
Giles: Well, in all fairness, we don't really know about the "slithered" part. Anya: No, no, I'm sure it frisked about like a fluffy lamb.
'Never Leave Me'
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Consuela - Mar 26, 2011 6:37:37 am PDT #16358 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
-t - Mar 26, 2011 6:44:38 am PDT #16359 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's really what I mean, Consuela - it's one thing in his mind, save his universe/destroy the other - but if those propositions can be separated would he choose saving without destroying? I find the uncertainty interesting.
sumi - Mar 26, 2011 6:44:39 am PDT #16360 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
`Yes, that's my take too: he wants to save his world AND the icing on the cake is punishing the people who stole his child and endangered the world as well.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 6:47:15 am PDT #16361 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because if he's going for revenge (rather than accepting or even relishing it as a side effect) he's a bad guy, and the story just got 2D instead of 3.
The story I like is a dilemma started by our side with selfish but well-intentioned motives, and has two sides of equal "rootability" fighting for their futures.
The minute one of them becomes base so it's easy to side with the other, is the minute the story becomes significantly less interesting.
Difficult choices, regrettable things. That's the story that grabs me.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 7:34:28 am PDT #16362 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I am more interested in seeing these characters find ways to avoid the regrettable things that appear to be necessary choices.
§ ita § - Mar 26, 2011 7:41:06 am PDT #16363 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think it's interesting that I'm like "Der, it's the whole point" not realising that other people think it's a good question.
Or boneheaded. One of the two.
-t - Mar 26, 2011 7:52:17 am PDT #16364 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
The story I like is a dilemma started by our side with selfish but well-intentioned motives, and has two sides of equal "rootability" fighting for their futures.
That's the most important thing about this season of Fringe for me, really. It probably says something about me that I wouldn't find a more revenge-driven Walternate all that unsympathetic.
Connie Neil - Mar 26, 2011 2:37:37 pm PDT #16365 of 30001
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Has there been any reconciliation between Peter and Walter? I stopped watching because I couldn't bear watching Walter's heart get broken over and over.
aurelia - Mar 26, 2011 4:26:05 pm PDT #16366 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
OMG Fringe. Way to limit the time Torv spends in a pregnancy pad. Did anyone else find much of that even freakier than Alien?
Love the new intrigue for the Fringe team and that KickAsstrid is at least partially in the know. Loved seeing Henry again. Really loved the Lincoln/Liv interaction when they both thought she wouldn't make it. It'll be interesting to see if that goes anywhere.
The story I like is a dilemma started by our side with selfish but well-intentioned motives, and has two sides of equal "rootability" fighting for their futures.
I think that's exactly what the intention is.
As to what the device does, we really don't know. We've heard Walter's interpretation of the drawing and the First People books, and we've heard what Sam Weiss chose to tell Nina. We don't know what Walternate and his Brendan believe, or what their source of information is. Creation/destruction are the common watchwords, but with what scale and/or level of specificity?
My thoughts lean toward the creation side. Could we end up with a 2nd Peter? Or a 3rd universe? Will a 3rd universe be green or yellow?
Ginger - Mar 27, 2011 9:47:15 am PDT #16367 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
I just realized that the guy who played the Scorpio Killer in Dirty Harry grew up to be Garak on DS9.