Remember way back when Fringe started, and people were complaining that Anna Torv couldn't act?
Funny. No one says that anymore ...
HOLY SHIT RIGHT?!
Yeah, I could do that, but I'm paralyzed with not caring very much.
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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Polter-Cow - Mar 11, 2011 10:07:48 pm PST #16186 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Theodosia - Mar 12, 2011 2:35:22 am PST #16187 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"
Leonard... how you've changed!?
§ ita § - Mar 12, 2011 5:33:01 am PST #16188 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I wonder if the same people I read bitching about dealing with souls on V will bitch about this storyline. Their objection was that souls don't belong in sci-fi, not as manipulable entities.
I don't see any reason they can't, all you need is to do it well. And Fringe is certainly better suited for that than V.
It occurs to me that I have an episode of V on my TiVo. I've missed the past few episodes. I can't decide if I want to bother looking. Still, it's going to be a long weekend.
le nubian - Mar 12, 2011 5:39:41 am PST #16189 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
William Bell couldn't have me as a friend. I would have long hit that bell and his soul would have been out and about a long time ago.
That's the kind of thing I would have hit for giggles every time I came in the room. This is why I can't have nice things.
§ ita § - Mar 12, 2011 5:45:33 am PST #16190 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How do you have the bell and not ring it? It's, like, right there. The noise would hurt my head, but I'd still poke at it anyway.
Jon B. - Mar 12, 2011 5:50:04 am PST #16191 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
I wonder if the same people I read bitching about dealing with souls on V will bitch about this storyline.
I don't watch Fringe, so I can't compare, but the problem I had with V is that Anna was talking about the soul like it was sitting next to the appendix.
§ ita § - Mar 12, 2011 5:52:52 am PST #16192 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Fringe had "soul magnets." It's honestly really cheesy, but it's being used to drive plot and give Anna Torv even more interesting things to do.
But the poster's problem with V is that souls shouldn't exist in sci-fi. Which I think is absurdly rigid compartmentalisation.
Consuela - Mar 12, 2011 5:57:21 am PST #16193 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
That poster apparently never watched the Gateverse, then, since that universe is chock full of souls, even though they don't actually call them that. All that Ascension going on...
Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2011 6:41:52 am PST #16194 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Babylon 5 dealt fairly blatantly with souls too.
And Star Wars was all mystical religion stuff before it got retconned into telekinetic microbial structures.
Strega - Mar 12, 2011 8:30:02 am PST #16195 of 30001
Well, B5 had characters who believed in souls. And characters who didn't, and offered alternative explanations for what was going on when "souls" were captured.
I wouldn't say the concept doesn't belong in SF because yeah, that's silly. There's plenty of SF exploring reincarnation, among other things. But if it's treated as duh, obviously souls exist, we all know that... it certainly takes something to the realm of fantasy for me. Whether or not I'm willing to handwave it depends on the story.