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I wonder if the same people I read bitching about dealing with souls on V will bitch about this storyline. Their objection was that souls don't belong in sci-fi, not as manipulable entities.
I don't see any reason they can't, all you need is to do it well. And Fringe is certainly better suited for that than V.
It occurs to me that I have an episode of V on my TiVo. I've missed the past few episodes. I can't decide if I want to bother looking. Still, it's going to be a long weekend.
William Bell couldn't have me as a friend. I would have long hit that bell and his soul would have been out and about a long time ago.
That's the kind of thing I would have hit for giggles every time I came in the room. This is why I can't have nice things.
How do you have the bell and not ring it? It's, like, right there. The noise would hurt my head, but I'd still poke at it anyway.
I wonder if the same people I read bitching about dealing with souls on V will bitch about this storyline.
I don't watch Fringe, so I can't compare, but the problem I had with V is that Anna was talking about the soul like it was sitting next to the appendix.
Fringe had "soul magnets." It's honestly really cheesy, but it's being used to drive plot and give Anna Torv even more interesting things to do.
But the poster's problem with V is that souls shouldn't exist in sci-fi. Which I think is absurdly rigid compartmentalisation.
That poster apparently never watched the Gateverse, then, since that universe is chock full of souls, even though they don't actually call them that. All that Ascension going on...
Babylon 5 dealt fairly blatantly with souls too.
And Star Wars was all mystical religion stuff before it got retconned into telekinetic microbial structures.
Well, B5 had characters who believed in souls. And characters who didn't, and offered alternative explanations for what was going on when "souls" were captured.
I wouldn't say the concept doesn't belong in SF because yeah, that's silly. There's plenty of SF exploring reincarnation, among other things. But if it's treated as duh, obviously souls exist, we all know that... it certainly takes something to the realm of fantasy for me. Whether or not I'm willing to handwave it depends on the story.
The distinction between Science Fiction and Fantasy is best made as a matter of style and maybe worldview anyway. We give give the SyFy channel and Star Trek and so on a lot of shit for their bad science, but to tell you the truth a lot of the best "hard" science fiction writers don't do any better. I read a fun science fiction series that was pretty standard space opera with FTL travel and what have you. Except it was set in a universe where the laws of science were class European alchemy rather than our own laws of physics. But because of style and approach I don't think you could call it anything but science fiction. I also remember a Jo Clayton series that was set in a universe with Gods and magicians and so forth. Only it was really a pocket universe, and the "Gods" were starship brains who foundtheselves with special powers in this particular universe whose laws differed from those of the mainline multi-verse. In spite of being technically science fiction it read very strongly as fantasy, and I always considered it such.
That poster apparently never watched the Gateverse
Consuela completely beat me to it. No souls in SciFi? Tell that to Oma Desala.