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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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§ ita § - Mar 12, 2011 5:52:52 am PST #16192 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Fringe had "soul magnets." It's honestly really cheesy, but it's being used to drive plot and give Anna Torv even more interesting things to do.

But the poster's problem with V is that souls shouldn't exist in sci-fi. Which I think is absurdly rigid compartmentalisation.


Consuela - Mar 12, 2011 5:57:21 am PST #16193 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

That poster apparently never watched the Gateverse, then, since that universe is chock full of souls, even though they don't actually call them that. All that Ascension going on...


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 12, 2011 6:41:52 am PST #16194 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Babylon 5 dealt fairly blatantly with souls too.

And Star Wars was all mystical religion stuff before it got retconned into telekinetic microbial structures.


Strega - Mar 12, 2011 8:30:02 am PST #16195 of 30001

Well, B5 had characters who believed in souls. And characters who didn't, and offered alternative explanations for what was going on when "souls" were captured.

I wouldn't say the concept doesn't belong in SF because yeah, that's silly. There's plenty of SF exploring reincarnation, among other things. But if it's treated as duh, obviously souls exist, we all know that... it certainly takes something to the realm of fantasy for me. Whether or not I'm willing to handwave it depends on the story.


Typo Boy - Mar 12, 2011 8:38:17 am PST #16196 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The distinction between Science Fiction and Fantasy is best made as a matter of style and maybe worldview anyway. We give give the SyFy channel and Star Trek and so on a lot of shit for their bad science, but to tell you the truth a lot of the best "hard" science fiction writers don't do any better. I read a fun science fiction series that was pretty standard space opera with FTL travel and what have you. Except it was set in a universe where the laws of science were class European alchemy rather than our own laws of physics. But because of style and approach I don't think you could call it anything but science fiction. I also remember a Jo Clayton series that was set in a universe with Gods and magicians and so forth. Only it was really a pocket universe, and the "Gods" were starship brains who foundtheselves with special powers in this particular universe whose laws differed from those of the mainline multi-verse. In spite of being technically science fiction it read very strongly as fantasy, and I always considered it such.


beekaytee - Mar 12, 2011 8:49:43 am PST #16197 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

That poster apparently never watched the Gateverse

Consuela completely beat me to it. No souls in SciFi? Tell that to Oma Desala.


Zenkitty - Mar 12, 2011 11:44:46 am PST #16198 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Souls in scifi is like space aliens in religion! I mean, amirite, Scientologists?


smonster - Mar 12, 2011 2:12:43 pm PST #16199 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Snerk, Zen.


Dana - Mar 12, 2011 3:01:52 pm PST #16200 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Finally catching up on The Walking Dead. Just about finished with the third episode, and I'm really not loving how the women are being treated.

Also, I get very judgey about how people cope with their apocalypses.


sumi - Mar 12, 2011 3:09:41 pm PST #16201 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Nikitaish: Shane West was in "Go Fish". How did I not know that before? I assume he was one of the guys on the swim team.