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BBCA Torchwood: The basic premise made sense -- no reason the Rift can't be a two-way Rift. And loved ones will worry. And those who disappear can come back wrong. And it makes sense to have a place for them.
And -- as we saw with Nikki -- not knowing isn't necessarily the worst thing. Which at least sets up an ethical dilemma of whether to tell the loved ones and, if so, how much. Parallel to the "is death the worst?" theme of the show. (And there's an interesting question there -- Is Nikki better off knowing that her son is still alive and disfigured in more ways than one?)
But Jack's "I know best, and you need know nothing" management style really irked me. Gwen's been part of the team for a while now. She should know what's going on. If only so she doesn't stumble into things like she did.
I'd have liked to hear Gwen's reasons for thinking Andy doesn't belong in Torchwood. He wouldn't fit? He deserves to keep his innocence? She doesn't want to risk Rhys's jealousies?
I still think Rhys doesn't have the temperament to be married to someone in law enforcement. But Gwen also needs to stop letting the hours slip by without at least calling to say she'll be late.
Jack may not have done the most respectful thing by Ianto when he unilaterally invited Gwen to join them. On the other hand, it's a very Jack thing to do, and Ianto most likely knew it before getting too involved with Jack.
My guess is that she wants to preserve his innocence.
But Jack's "I know best, and you need know nothing" management style really irked me. Gwen's been part of the team for a while now. She should know what's going on. If only so she doesn't stumble into things like she did.
I think that Jack didn't tell her because he knew what would happen, she would insist on telling people that their loved ones were alive. And, as we saw, it would open a whole can of worms. Even if he had had the discussion with her, she still would have insisted on it. It wasn't until Nikki said "promise me that you won't do that to anyone else" that Gwen really got it.
Jack may not have done the most respectful thing by Ianto when he unilaterally invited Gwen to join them. On the other hand, it's a very Jack thing to do, and Ianto most likely knew it before getting too involved with Jack.
I think that it wasn't a real invitation, it was a dismissal, a clear "we're not talking about this anymore, and I don't really want to talk to you about anything else, so what can I say to make you go away?"
I think that it wasn't a real invitation, it was a dismissal,
I hadn't thought of that. And Gwen would be the least likely to join that sort of reindeer games.
To illustrate the depths of my fannish squee over the Final Four, I have created a LOLCylon LJ icon.
(Hopefully nobody on my flist is still catching up on the S3...oh well.)
I think that it wasn't a real invitation, it was a dismissal,
That was exactly my take as well.
But Jack's "I know best, and you need know nothing" management style really irked me.
Yeah. I mostly wanted to smack him in the head with a two by four for that. I mean, he KNOWS Gwen was not going to let go. Her tenaciousness and her compassion were the qualities he recruited her to TW for, fer crying out loud. Of course, the condescension was paralleled in Gwen's treatment of Andy, so this might have been intentional, but still.
I still think Rhys doesn't have the temperament to be married to someone in law enforcement.
I'm a bit "OMG Gwen + Rhys OTP!!" when it comes to these two (they are pretty much the only romantic relationship I'm invested in on the show) so I might be biased, but I think Rhys adds a terrific deal of balancing sanity to the show. He's good for Gwen. I buy his exasperation with her, but at the end, he always ends up supporting her emotionally. Without him, Gwen would be a lot more broken than she is now.
Yeah. I mostly wanted to smack him in the head with a two by four for that. I mean, he KNOWS Gwen was not going to let go. Her tenaciousness and her compassion were the qualities he recruited her to TW for, fer crying out loud.
Absolutely. And she would have hit a dead end and it would have been a non issue if Ianto hadn't gotten involved.
Oh, and did anyone else see the enormous plot hole in that Gwen's access code got her into the facility? Shouldn't Jack and Ianto been the only ones who could get in?
Shouldn't Jack and Ianto been the only ones who could get in?
When they were having sex? Oh, they so totally planned to get caught at some point.
