if your creature goes back before written history, you've got free rein.
Free reign? Surely you have some point at which they don't deserve the name anymore.
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§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:32:55 pm PST #11683 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:33:37 pm PST #11684 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
I agree, tiggy. I thought the plot of New Moon rose from the point of vampires not being able to control their bloodlust.
Surely you have some point at which they don't deserve the name anymore.
yes, I think there needs to be bloodlust. Energy vampires are just silly.
§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:38:23 pm PST #11685 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
i'm assuming you're referring to Twilight. while i don't agree with a lot of SMeyer's storytelling, that's not something she portrayed
It's not specific. I consider her vampires heinously romantic because she bothered to have them sparkle. I don't know Edward's other details.
And I dislike the idea of removing too many weaknesses and savagery. But that happens a lot. At least Joss gave his abstainers a soul or a chip. At least Mitchell turned someone. Moonlight and Forever Knight (IIRC) made it too easy. Angsting isn't enough. Even Stefan Salvatore only gets picturesque bloodlust.
Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:40:30 pm PST #11686 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
How do you feel about True Blood?
§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:43:08 pm PST #11687 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
How do you feel about True Blood?
Don't know thing one about it. I've at least read plot synopses of Twilight. I'm assuming Edward doesn't kill for his blood, otherwise he wouldn't be worthy of our heroine--what's his deal?
sumi - Jan 06, 2010 6:47:35 pm PST #11688 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Edward eats animals.
sumi - Jan 06, 2010 6:48:26 pm PST #11689 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
(OOoh, like the non-human killing vammpires in Supernatural - and he lives in a colony of animal-blood non-human killing vampires too.)
Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:48:29 pm PST #11690 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
other vampires call the Cullens vegetarians. I'm sure the animals don't think that's funny.
§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:51:38 pm PST #11691 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Stefan from Vampire Diaries has less power because he doesn't drink human blood. Is there that sort of thing in Twilight, or is it a taste/sensation thing?
Are they inherently evil?
Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:55:11 pm PST #11692 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
A lot of vampires in the Twilight series have some special power but I don't recall if the people drinkers were stronger. Definitely someone who's just fed is stronger than someone who hasn't. Human blood is just way tastier.
Are they inherently evil?
Is it evil if you think you're better than people and therefore it's OK to eat them? That's the difference I see between those who eat humans and those who don't.
True blood seems to be the same- you can drink synthetic blood and be healthy but drinking humans is just way more fulfulling.