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§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:38:23 pm PST #11685 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

i'm assuming you're referring to Twilight. while i don't agree with a lot of SMeyer's storytelling, that's not something she portrayed

It's not specific. I consider her vampires heinously romantic because she bothered to have them sparkle. I don't know Edward's other details.

And I dislike the idea of removing too many weaknesses and savagery. But that happens a lot. At least Joss gave his abstainers a soul or a chip. At least Mitchell turned someone. Moonlight and Forever Knight (IIRC) made it too easy. Angsting isn't enough. Even Stefan Salvatore only gets picturesque bloodlust.


Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:40:30 pm PST #11686 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

How do you feel about True Blood?


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:43:08 pm PST #11687 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How do you feel about True Blood?

Don't know thing one about it. I've at least read plot synopses of Twilight. I'm assuming Edward doesn't kill for his blood, otherwise he wouldn't be worthy of our heroine--what's his deal?


sumi - Jan 06, 2010 6:47:35 pm PST #11688 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Edward eats animals.


sumi - Jan 06, 2010 6:48:26 pm PST #11689 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

(OOoh, like the non-human killing vammpires in Supernatural - and he lives in a colony of animal-blood non-human killing vampires too.)


Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:48:29 pm PST #11690 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

other vampires call the Cullens vegetarians. I'm sure the animals don't think that's funny.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 6:51:38 pm PST #11691 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Stefan from Vampire Diaries has less power because he doesn't drink human blood. Is there that sort of thing in Twilight, or is it a taste/sensation thing?

Are they inherently evil?


Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:55:11 pm PST #11692 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

A lot of vampires in the Twilight series have some special power but I don't recall if the people drinkers were stronger. Definitely someone who's just fed is stronger than someone who hasn't. Human blood is just way tastier.

Are they inherently evil?

Is it evil if you think you're better than people and therefore it's OK to eat them? That's the difference I see between those who eat humans and those who don't.

True blood seems to be the same- you can drink synthetic blood and be healthy but drinking humans is just way more fulfulling.


§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 7:04:39 pm PST #11693 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You're only inherently evil if you can't rationalise the away the destructive urges with ease. Joss, if I'm remembering them all, didn't write vampires that refrained from eating, unless they had a bigger purpose--love or hate and torture, but still very personal. And even the unsouled love with messy and unhealthy right there in the text. I want my unalloyed vampires to have little to no regard for the existence or quality of human life. I want that to be an inherent condition of being vampy.


le nubian - Jan 06, 2010 7:11:42 pm PST #11694 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Beau nearly had me shut off Underworld because he could not get over the concept of UV light bullets. He thought it was fucking stupid and that they could have invented another device that would kill vampires. Similarly, Beau couldn't hang with "Being Human" after he saw the vampire out in the daytime.

For some reason, the idea of UV bullets didn't bother me: I mean we are already in a movie world where werewolves and vampires have an epic battle, I'm not sure I need to get picky over UV bullets.

But I get that there are some things that just strain certain people's credibility boundaries such that it ruins enjoyment of a mythical time/place/set of creatures.

I have no problem with vampires who find and manage human blood alternatives, but I would have a problem with zombies who didn't feed on human beings. There are certain things I have in my head that are clear characteristics of vampires and they ways they can be killed or harmed. If they aren't menacing or if they sparkle - I'm out.