I agree, tiggy. I thought the plot of New Moon rose from the point of vampires not being able to control their bloodlust.

Surely you have some point at which they don't deserve the name anymore.

yes, I think there needs to be bloodlust. Energy vampires are just silly.

i'm assuming you're referring to Twilight. while i don't agree with a lot of SMeyer's storytelling, that's not something she portrayed

It's not specific. I consider her vampires heinously romantic because she bothered to have them sparkle. I don't know Edward's other details.

And I dislike the idea of removing too many weaknesses and savagery. But that happens a lot. At least Joss gave his abstainers a soul or a chip. At least Mitchell turned someone. Moonlight and Forever Knight (IIRC) made it too easy. Angsting isn't enough. Even Stefan Salvatore only gets picturesque bloodlust.

How do you feel about True Blood?

How do you feel about True Blood?

Don't know thing one about it. I've at least read plot synopses of Twilight. I'm assuming Edward doesn't kill for his blood, otherwise he wouldn't be worthy of our heroine--what's his deal?

Edward eats animals.

(OOoh, like the non-human killing vammpires in Supernatural - and he lives in a colony of animal-blood non-human killing vampires too.)

other vampires call the Cullens vegetarians. I'm sure the animals don't think that's funny.

Stefan from Vampire Diaries has less power because he doesn't drink human blood. Is there that sort of thing in Twilight, or is it a taste/sensation thing?

Are they inherently evil?

A lot of vampires in the Twilight series have some special power but I don't recall if the people drinkers were stronger. Definitely someone who's just fed is stronger than someone who hasn't. Human blood is just way tastier.

Are they inherently evil?

Is it evil if you think you're better than people and therefore it's OK to eat them? That's the difference I see between those who eat humans and those who don't.

True blood seems to be the same- you can drink synthetic blood and be healthy but drinking humans is just way more fulfulling.

You're only inherently evil if you can't rationalise the away the destructive urges with ease. Joss, if I'm remembering them all, didn't write vampires that refrained from eating, unless they had a bigger purpose--love or hate and torture, but still very personal. And even the unsouled love with messy and unhealthy right there in the text. I want my unalloyed vampires to have little to no regard for the existence or quality of human life. I want that to be an inherent condition of being vampy.