The way I see it, vampires are mythological creatures. If you decide to write about them you get to decide what is and isn't true about the myths. To D, the daylight thing is non-negotiable.
And I wonder, what possible catastrophe came crashing down from heaven and brought this dashing stranger to tears?
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Laga - Jan 06, 2010 5:08:26 pm PST #11673 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 06, 2010 5:14:05 pm PST #11674 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I figure if going out and about in daylight was good enough for Dracula, it's good enough for today's whippersnapper vampires.
Connie Neil - Jan 06, 2010 5:21:37 pm PST #11675 of 30001
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I figure if going out and about in daylight was good enough for Dracula, it's good enough for today's whippersnapper vampires.
Wrod. What was the line? "The sun is always shining somewhere."
§ ita § - Jan 06, 2010 5:22:12 pm PST #11676 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I do think that Stephenie went too far, from everything I can tell.
It's true that a lot of the vampire weaknesses are post-Stoker additions, but I think that making them just powered-up humans who get sad if they don't drink blood is pandering straight to the romantics and not to the monster fans.
victor infante - Jan 06, 2010 6:04:40 pm PST #11677 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.
The way I see it, vampires are mythological creatures. If you decide to write about them you get to decide what is and isn't true about the myths. To D, the daylight thing is non-negotiable.
I can't agree. Certainly, you don't have to buy the entire sleight of tropes when you're buying into one of the BIG mythologies, but really, some details are more important than others. Otherwise, it's just a name. And for my money, the sunlight issue is a bigger deal than, say, obsessive counting of spilled rice. (True folkloric detail!)
Let me put it this way: If you have a character named Superman, but he's not from Krypton, then he's not Superman. If you have a character named Superman and he's not from Krypton and he's just a guy in a suit that gives him super-strength, then you're Nicolas Cage and THANK DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN SOME FILM PRODUCER SOBERED UP BEFORE THEY ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN!!!
Consequently, "Being Human" is skirting along the vampire mythos. Still close enough on the whole, but really, playing a tad too fast and loose for my taste. The whole "trapped in eternal darkness" is part of what makes them what they are.
"Twilight," on the other hand, has abandoned the whole vampire precept entirely, and is really something else. It's the Nicolas Cage capeless Superman of vampires.
Polter-Cow - Jan 06, 2010 6:07:22 pm PST #11678 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
obsessive counting of spilled rice. (True folkloric detail!)
"Aw, what'd you have to go and do that for?
You're in trouble."
Juliebird - Jan 06, 2010 6:23:29 pm PST #11679 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately went to Bad Blood, hee!
Laga - Jan 06, 2010 6:25:52 pm PST #11680 of 30001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Superman is different, I think, because he belongs to Siegel and Shuster. I just did a little searching and found that, prior to Stoker, most vampires were described as bloated and ruddy. I think if your creature goes back before written history, you've got free rein.
Frankenbuddha - Jan 06, 2010 6:28:29 pm PST #11681 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Wheee! My Chuck 2.0 discs arrived today and I finally got to see the whole of the season finale. Love Jefster so much. Not to mention "Guys, I know Kung Fu."
Please don't let the network screw season 3 up with "helpful" suggestions.
tiggy - Jan 06, 2010 6:32:04 pm PST #11682 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
but I think that making them just powered-up humans who get sad if they don't drink blood
eh? i'm assuming you're referring to Twilight. while i don't agree with a lot of SMeyer's storytelling, that's not something she portrayed.