Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.

'Life of the Party'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 26, 2009 5:52:36 pm PST #11414 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh dear, the dance-fu sparring scene from Farscape just does not get any better with repetition.


§ ita § - Dec 26, 2009 5:56:25 pm PST #11415 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

If 11 sprang from Wilf he wouldn't be 11. He'd be someone else.


Anne W. - Dec 26, 2009 5:59:16 pm PST #11416 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I'm wondering if something will happen with the part of Donna that is the Doctor.


beekaytee - Dec 26, 2009 6:00:24 pm PST #11417 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Eh. So much for my gleeful mind-dance. You are right, of course.

I'm just trying to figure out how all this is connected, but I'm having no luck. Either that means it's great storytelling or I'm slipping.


victor infante - Dec 26, 2009 6:22:35 pm PST #11418 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Did we know before today that we was more special than, say, Micky?

The Doctor commented on the coincidence the second time he met Wilf, as it's odd that he runs into people more than once. (Micky wouldn't count, because he only ran into the Doctor multiple times because of Rose. Likewise, Jack and Donna were looking for the Doctor, and it took a long time -- Jack, a century of camping out somewhere where he knew the Doctor would turn up; Donna -- perhaps a bit too serendipitously -- by investigating weird shit she was sure he'd be involved in, and even that took a year or two. Sarah Jane continued on investigating Doctor-ish things, and took a few decades to run across him again. So yeah, Wilf's continually crossing his path must seem suspicious. But then, I don't know that it means he's a time lord, either.

But then ...

It should be noted that the name Wilfred Mott is an Anagram for the phrase "WTF Time Lords" or "Time Lords WTF".

Yeah, that seems suspicious. (:


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Dec 27, 2009 12:30:17 am PST #11419 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Re: bonny's speculation - It's a long shot, but it wouldn't surprise me if they did something like that. *Something* is going to be very different about this regeneration. The Girl and I were talking about the possibility of Wilf being a future incarnation of the Doctor (he's unwittingly met with future incarnations of himself before). Not likely, but you never know!

In terms of why Donna doesn't change (her mother does, doesn't she?), that has to be because she's part Time Lord. It's going to be interesting to see how they use that.

The anagram is fun, but if it's intentional, it's for internet fandom, given the 'WTF' - I can't see them highlighting that like they did with 'Yana' standing for You Are Not Alone. They do like their anagrams, though - Torchwood was used on Doctor Who tapes as code for the show, apparently, long before they decided to do something with that name. So you never know how far back they thought of this. (Or it's just a coincidence. :P )


Stephanie - Dec 27, 2009 4:35:43 am PST #11420 of 30001
Trust my rage

When have we seen the Doctor tear up like that before? I don't recall having seen him quite this broken and down, even about Rose.

I don't think he has, which is why the moment got me so much. We've seen him scared before but not broken and usually not about himself, only others.


Juliebird - Dec 27, 2009 4:51:30 am PST #11421 of 30001
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I got so hungry watching The End of Time that I had to hit pause and nuke some turkey with all the fixings. And I'd already had two bowls of a very delicious fish stew.

How did the doctor get knocked out when the master was kidnapped? I thought he was shot, like, with bullets (I had a vision of the last two hours of Ten's life being "and is this how he dies? Nope. This? Nope. And now?"). Did he actually just trip and knock himself out?


DCJensen - Dec 27, 2009 4:58:33 am PST #11422 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

I believe he got tranqued.


Barb - Dec 27, 2009 5:28:29 am PST #11423 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

I got so hungry watching The End of Time that I had to hit pause and nuke some turkey with all the fixings.

Whereas I may never look at a whole turkey the same way again. John Simm had way too much fun with those scenes.