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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Fiona - Nov 18, 2009 10:17:12 pm PST #10966 of 30001

And if the only people in position to declare things canonical refuse to do so...

I agree that RTD is wise not to comment on what he considers canon and what not - he'd never get anything else done, for one thing. But I still think he has been trying to make the tv series a consistant continuation of the previous tv series and the movie (which he could have ignored - lots of fans do) and that's about all one can ask of a series which has been going for so long in so many media. Whether you label it "canon" or "non-canon" is up to you.

One of the things I love about the new series is that they keep dropping in little references to the old shows. They're clearly people who love the programme and want to honour its history.


Jessica - Nov 19, 2009 4:00:20 am PST #10967 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

but it's generally agreed that most of the TV stuff (usually excepting the TV movie) is canon.

But it's a canon without continuity. I mean, how many origin stories have the Daleks had?


Shir - Nov 19, 2009 9:23:00 am PST #10968 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I mean, how many origin stories have the Daleks had?

Obviously, not enough.


Tom Scola - Nov 19, 2009 9:24:06 am PST #10969 of 30001
hwæt

I mean, how many origin stories have the Daleks had?

"Genesis of the Daleks". What other origin is there?


Jessica - Nov 19, 2009 9:31:11 am PST #10970 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

What other origin is there?

The first Doctor encountered them in The Daleks and basically wiped out the entire species at the end of the arc. Then they were brought back a bunch more times in the 60's with whatever backstory & abilities seemed cool to the writers at the time. Genesis of the Daleks was Terry Nation wiping the slate clean and starting over more or less from scratch.


Scrappy - Nov 19, 2009 9:37:27 am PST #10971 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

ita, I see your point regarding to kick-ass moms. You're right, we're missing those on TV.

Gemma on Sons of Anarchy. She shoots (owns an arsenal of guns), she delivers beat-downs, she scares hardened biker guys. Katey Sagal is awesome in the role.


Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Nov 19, 2009 9:59:15 am PST #10972 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"

Obviously, not enough.

When you can play with the whole of time, there are going to be conflicting beginnings and endings. And indeed middles. I suppose the trick is doing that more convincingly than, say, Heroes plays with alternate timelines.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 19, 2009 12:44:51 pm PST #10973 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

She shoots (owns an arsenal of guns), she delivers beat-downs, she scares hardened biker guys. Katey Sagal is awesome in the role.

Of course. She is Leela, after all.


§ ita § - Nov 19, 2009 12:46:57 pm PST #10974 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Zoe would have made a kickass mom.


sumi - Nov 19, 2009 3:41:44 pm PST #10975 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Vampire Diaries: I like Logan SO MUCH better as a vampire. He's just more fun.