Hey, Sarah wielded a gun in her time as a companion. It's no Nitro-9, but for her time period, she was representing. And she's a fierce mama bear for her timeslot in series one of her adventures. I need to check out the recent stuff. Curses on BBCAm for not sharing with us.
Oh, at first it was confusing. Just the idea of computers was like — whoa! I'm eleven hundred years old! I had trouble adjusting to the idea of Lutherans.
Anya ,'Get It Done'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.
Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.
Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.
This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.
§ ita § - Nov 18, 2009 1:13:43 pm PST #10956 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
tiggy - Nov 18, 2009 1:56:37 pm PST #10957 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore
dude! i can barely contain my excitement over the Global Frequency news. that is probably my favorite pilot of a show that never was!
Jessica - Nov 18, 2009 5:39:35 pm PST #10958 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Finally finished the new Prisoner. I'm disappointed they couldn't keep up the momentum of the first two eps, and it was jarring how suddenly the tone switched from "Oh you silly - the Village is the entire universe, and it's perfect except for the constant spying, la la la!" to "Yeah, you're in a walking nightmare being held against your will. Say, did you ever read The Doll's House by Neil Gaiman?"
I think it could have benefited from a longer run, or a shorter story. They tried to cram in too much and it wound up just not holding together.
I also can't think of an actor with less charisma than Jim Caveziel. A better Number Six could have made the last hour much MUCH more watchable.
(I'm also not sure why Sara was chosen as the dreamer. Isn't a homeless schizophrenic going to have exactly the opposite kind of dreams from you'd want when creating a subconscious utopia? And now she gets to be catatonic in The Village too? So life sucks doubly for her?)
Strega - Nov 18, 2009 6:34:34 pm PST #10959 of 30001
I feel compelled to note that there is no Doctor Who canon. So, um, there, now I have. Yay me.
I've been absorbing more Who-stuff recently, so that I can decipher a highly tangential set of stories, which I'm reading out of order. It's kind of like digging into 1960's Fantastic Four in order to unpack Planetary. While riding a tilt-a-whirl. So my perspective on everything is a bit askew.
That said, I've seen maybe a dozen episodes of nuWho and the only episode of this past series I've seen is Waters of Mars, but I'm going to whitefont this since it's based on all sorts of third-hand stuff and fascinating-but-perhaps-demented fandom analysis. As far as I know this is pure speculation about the finale, but in light of Waters of Mars: it seems fairly likely to me that The End of Time involves restoring Gallifrey somehow. WoM is rather toothless unless he's going to go even further, and changing an event that he himself was responsible for seems... appropriate. And it also makes sense as a conclusion to RTD-era Who. "Putting all the toys back in the box" was how I saw it phrased somewhere. So that'd be where my money is.
Polter-Cow - Nov 18, 2009 6:41:38 pm PST #10960 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I feel compelled to note that there is no Doctor Who canon.
How do you mean?
Strega, a friend of mine has that same theory. I don't know how I feel. We shall see, I suppose.
I just watched "It's Your Funeral," which I actually stayed awake through. I found it entertaining but terribly convoluted. I didn't understand what Number Six's role in the whole thing was. Things would have gone perfectly fine if they hadn't involved him.
Strega - Nov 18, 2009 7:41:45 pm PST #10961 of 30001
How do you mean?"Canon" is the authorized version, and there isn't one. Originally it wasn't an issue at all because the question didn't exist, and when it did come up BBC declined to care, and for the new series Davies & Moffat have both explicitly said that the concept of canon doesn't really make sense when applied to time-travelling, dimension-hopping character. Episodes contradict each other; comics and radio and books contradict each other and the TV version. And all of that's okay, because that's what makes it Doctor Who.
I'll try to dig up this entertaining rant about it that I read a while back. Later, when I'm actually awake. Whirrr.
Shir - Nov 18, 2009 7:53:36 pm PST #10962 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
I'm ready to say goodbye to Ten, and yet, in a way, I really don't. I LOVED Tennant, the passion and the innocence he brought with him to the part.
ita, I see your point regarding to kick-ass moms. You're right, we're missing those on TV.
Fiona - Nov 18, 2009 8:36:35 pm PST #10963 of 30001
"Canon" is the authorized version, and there isn't one.
I agree over Who as a whole, but I do think RTD and co. have tried to make the new series consistant and of a piece with the old series (as in WoM with the reference to the ice people) . So I do think that there's something approximating to canon, at least for all the new series.
Strega - Nov 18, 2009 9:05:14 pm PST #10964 of 30001
RTD has explicitly abdicated from the idea of a canon. And if the only people in position to declare things canonical refuse to do so... there isn't one. Even within the current series. (And Moffat has echoed him as far as the idea of "canon" being nonsensical WRT Doctor Who.) If random subsets of fans of the show decide that X is "true" and Y is "imaginary" that's fine, but saying something is/isn't canon is meaningless.
Within Doctor Who, your choices are: it all happened; some of it happened, and you can pick and choose, and understand that other people may disagree; or, I guess, none of it happened, although then it's an odd thing to even have an opinion about.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Nov 18, 2009 9:53:47 pm PST #10965 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
Different fans have chosen different things to be semi-canon (e.g. there are some books that are considered so), but it's generally agreed that most of the TV stuff (usually excepting the TV movie) is canon. But yeah, there's a massive debate around it. So there are something like three different stories showing how Ace ended her travels with the Doctor, with about two of those being BBC-authorised or BBC-created work.
I'm assuming that, for the new series, they're not going to contradict much that we've seen in the original series. RTD is enough of a fanboy to know what he thinks is canon, even if he won't confirm that to the fans. I believe the destruction of Gallifrey was inspired by time wars shown in the books, for example.