I mean, how many origin stories have the Daleks had?
Obviously, not enough.
Angel: He is dead. Technically, he's undead. It's a zombie. Connor: What's a zombie? Angel: It's an undead thing. Connor: Like you? Angel: No, zombies are slow-moving, dimwitted things that crave human flesh. Connor: Like you. Angel: No! It's different. Trust me.
'Destiny'
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Shir - Nov 19, 2009 9:23:00 am PST #10968 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
Tom Scola - Nov 19, 2009 9:24:06 am PST #10969 of 30001
hwæt
I mean, how many origin stories have the Daleks had?
"Genesis of the Daleks". What other origin is there?
Jessica - Nov 19, 2009 9:31:11 am PST #10970 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
What other origin is there?
The first Doctor encountered them in The Daleks and basically wiped out the entire species at the end of the arc. Then they were brought back a bunch more times in the 60's with whatever backstory & abilities seemed cool to the writers at the time. Genesis of the Daleks was Terry Nation wiping the slate clean and starting over more or less from scratch.
Scrappy - Nov 19, 2009 9:37:27 am PST #10971 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
ita, I see your point regarding to kick-ass moms. You're right, we're missing those on TV.
Gemma on Sons of Anarchy. She shoots (owns an arsenal of guns), she delivers beat-downs, she scares hardened biker guys. Katey Sagal is awesome in the role.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Nov 19, 2009 9:59:15 am PST #10972 of 30001
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
Obviously, not enough.
When you can play with the whole of time, there are going to be conflicting beginnings and endings. And indeed middles. I suppose the trick is doing that more convincingly than, say, Heroes plays with alternate timelines.
Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 19, 2009 12:44:51 pm PST #10973 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
She shoots (owns an arsenal of guns), she delivers beat-downs, she scares hardened biker guys. Katey Sagal is awesome in the role.
Of course. She is Leela, after all.
§ ita § - Nov 19, 2009 12:46:57 pm PST #10974 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Zoe would have made a kickass mom.
sumi - Nov 19, 2009 3:41:44 pm PST #10975 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!
Vampire Diaries: I like Logan SO MUCH better as a vampire. He's just more fun.
Consuela - Nov 19, 2009 3:55:17 pm PST #10976 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Drive-by--a totally love picspam of Jack O'Neill over the years: [link]
Strega - Nov 19, 2009 6:06:57 pm PST #10977 of 30001
When fans are debating what they, individually, consider to be "part of the story" that's not canon. They're disagreeing with each other, not with the official version -- because there isn't an official version. And that's what the word "canon" means. There is continuity, and more than a few contradictions within that continuity, but the story's premise is quite tolerant of contradictions, so that's okay. That isn't the same as having a canon.
If Davies refuses to say what is canon, there isn't one. If Moffat says that the word doesn't even apply to Doctor Who, there isn't one.
Here's Paul Cornell on the subject:
Because when you say ‘the books just aren’t “canon!”’ or ‘the books “happened” and the TV show can’t ignore them!’ you’re not saying something like ‘for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction’, you’re saying something like ‘the South will never surrender’. You’re yelling a battle cry, not stating the truth. Because there is no truth here to find. There was never and now cannot be any authority to rule on matters of canonicity in a tale that has allowed, or at the very least accepted, the rewriting of its own continuity.