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Supernatural 1: Saving People, Hunting Things - the Family Business  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Beverly - Oct 13, 2007 4:14:19 pm PDT #3435 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

She really resembled Lili Taylor to me.

I have a wee question. Did anyone else notice the Roger Rabbit color palette that seems to surround Sam so far this season? It's eyebleedingly colorful, which is just hilarious, coming from a show whose look has been unremittingly noir and shadowed, after Kripke snerked at a network directive to "make it brighter and more colorful." Dean, so far, seems to have eluded Toonville sets. But I was pleased he seemed a lot less of a caricature of himself this ep.

And as much as I love Bobby Singer and am always glad to see him in an ep, I'm a student at the Minear school of character-killing, and I'd like the spotlight to swing away from Bobby, just a bit. I hope he stays around.


Consuela - Oct 13, 2007 5:56:43 pm PDT #3436 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

So... did it bother anyone else, the business with Ben's reference to "bitches"? Because I twitched, then I wrote it off as a callback to something earlier in the episode, because I'd missed the first 12 minutes or so.

And then, not so much. I'm mildly skeeved by it. It's one thing to have a joking relationship with your brother in which you call him names, and another entirely to tell an 8-year-old boy that misogynistic language is fine and dandy.

I'm also pretty sure that Lisa wasn't lying: it's too early in the series for them to introduce something as life-changing as a kid for Dean. If he's a hero, he can't just abandon the kid. But the show changes too much if he sticks around, too.


Theresa - Oct 13, 2007 6:08:08 pm PDT #3437 of 10002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

and another entirely to tell an 8-year-old boy that misogynistic language is fine and dandy

I think that was the point and was the least offensive part of the scene for me. I would have been completely outraged if that had been my son and his father popped into town and the first "life lesson" he gave the boy was how to solve your problems by fighting. I'm thinking "bitches" + fighting was a pretty heavy anvil of Dean doesn't know anything about kids.


Consuela - Oct 13, 2007 6:23:02 pm PDT #3438 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm thinking "bitches" + fighting was a pretty heavy anvil of Dean doesn't know anything about kids.

Yeah, and we got the fighting clue from Lisa. But she didn't hear the bitches exchange, and... if it had been a word we hadn't heard on the show, I'd be more willing to cut the writers some slack. But it's a word Dean uses as an epithet to cut other men down. Because of the female associations. It makes both Dean and Ben skeevy.


P.M. Marc - Oct 13, 2007 7:45:29 pm PDT #3439 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm still not reading it as deliberately/intentionally used *because* of the female associations. I'm reading it as being used with no thought even given to the female associations.

ETA, and Suela, I know you're not the only one who it pinged like that, which makes me wish they'd used "babies" or "wimps" or something instead.


Consuela - Oct 13, 2007 7:46:35 pm PDT #3440 of 10002
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm reading it as being used with no thought even given to the female associations.

Likely, yes. Except the reason it's an epithet when used to describe men is because of the female associations.

Sigh.


Beverly - Oct 13, 2007 7:47:29 pm PDT #3441 of 10002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

My reading is the same as Plei's.

Ah. I see your point.


P.M. Marc - Oct 13, 2007 7:49:35 pm PDT #3442 of 10002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Likely, yes. Except the reason it's an epithet when used to describe men is because of the female associations.

Yeah, and I suspect the writers didn't even think about that. (see my edit)


Cass - Oct 13, 2007 8:11:26 pm PDT #3443 of 10002
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

and I suspect the writers didn't even think about that.
I suspect this a lot.


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2007 8:29:56 pm PDT #3444 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Your point on "bitches" is well taken. It is not just the Supernatural writers who did not think enough about that.