That's not what making out sounds like -- unless I'm doing it wrong?

Willow ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Cable Drama: Still Waiting for the Cable Guy to Show Up with the Thread Name...

To be determined... (but it's definitely [NAFDA])


Liese S. - Aug 27, 2012 9:55:11 am PDT #10160 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Really? I liked Copper. I am pretty easy when it comes to period drama, though. I got even more interested after I watched the little "making-of" special, because I am interested to see where they go.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 27, 2012 10:56:10 am PDT #10161 of 11998
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I liked Copper too. And was wondering if erika was watching given the Homicide connection.


erikaj - Aug 27, 2012 11:13:26 am PDT #10162 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

I don't think I get that channel. But I've read about it. Levinson &Fontana, right?


Frankenbuddha - Aug 27, 2012 11:15:08 am PDT #10163 of 11998
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Yep.

It's on BBCA.


erikaj - Aug 27, 2012 11:27:23 am PDT #10164 of 11998
Always Anti-fascist!

We don't get it.


le nubian - Aug 27, 2012 11:39:59 am PDT #10165 of 11998
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

"The Week The Women Went"

hahaha. man. I have no words.


-t - Aug 27, 2012 3:57:40 pm PDT #10166 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Copper: I am so much happier with the second episode! I have a weakness for shady real estate shenanigans, and everything that happened at the contessa's completely surprised me. That was a helluva plan.


§ ita § - Aug 27, 2012 6:08:40 pm PDT #10167 of 11998
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

By the end of the first ep of Copper I was impressed by how much I'd remembered, because it was damned boring and I was hugely distracted.

Now, watching the second ep, I see I should have been less smug, because nothing seems to apply anymore. Totally confused.

Big Bad--whoah. God, Walter, seriously.

If you were going to put your finger on a point in his arc where it was clear that he isn't just a good man caught up in a difficult position, where would you say? I'd have expected, if I were predicting, that it would hinge on his attitude to potential customers, and the idea of people ruining their lives with his drugs.

Did we have that moment, and I didn't remember it? Its absence is very telling, if my memory is not just failing me.

Clearly, at this end of everything he's an emotionally abusive (on a number of fronts) megalomaniac. This is the part where you start throwing around diagnoses of narcissistic personality disorder or sociopath with IANAP TV accuracy, but he's clearly way over the line.


-t - Aug 27, 2012 6:37:23 pm PDT #10168 of 11998
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

It was pretty gradual, but around when Walt refused to take money from his old partners (the internet tells me that was the 5th episode) I started to feel like he was never forced into anything by circumstances and if he hadn't gotten cancer he would have found some other reason to let his inner bad guy take over eventually. That's the big lie he tells himself constantly, that he had no choice, he had to do it, each step of the way.

Which I think is a much more interesting story than the apparent anti-hero who, really, it's okay to root for because he's dying.

I think from the very beginning his attitude towards users was that they were going to buying meth from someone so he wasn't really responsible for their damage, but he might as well get the profit. Which is the kind of thing everyone thinks about something, right?


Liese S. - Aug 27, 2012 6:51:11 pm PDT #10169 of 11998
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I kinda feel like that's the beauty of it, that there isn't a distinctive point. That it was always blurry, the line, and that while it's clear we're over it at this point, that probably neither we as viewers, nor he as a character ever saw it, really. I kinda like that we got dragged along for the ride, that we were asked to start out liking him, and if we can't now, that we don't know when it happened.

Which feels true to life, for me. That sometimes you just don't know it until way after you've crossed it.