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Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier  

A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.

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Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 4:45:44 pm PDT #9974 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I was using it to describe why I felt it was okay to say the things I said to her, Micole. I'm explaining how I felt, why I said what I said, because some folks want to know, and others seem to want to spank me, but they don't want me to say anything about what the spanking is all about, which ain't going to happen.

I'm not running away, I'm here to talk about why I did what I did, and I'd prefer to NOT lie about it. I felt it was okay to say what I said to Zoe, because I do not feel she is worthy of respect.

Scrappy explained that I took some choice away from the community by doing what I did, and because I actually do respect the community, I have to cop to it, and am not going to be able to kick Zoe, again, because I'm supposed to have Learned My Lesson.

And really, overall respect for the community is why I won't kick Zoe again. Though, my respect has been waning in recent times, I still have enough to want to explain myself, and to hear people out as to why they are upset with me.


PaulJ - Apr 14, 2003 4:50:00 pm PDT #9975 of 10001

Though, my respect has been waning in recent times,

Why? Because there are people who don't agree with you? Because people don't appreciate your vigilantism efforts? Because of the whole voting thing? Or for reasons totally unrelated to the above?

(Note to self: remember to de-escalate, remember to de-escalate).


Susan W. - Apr 14, 2003 4:51:51 pm PDT #9976 of 10001
Good Trouble and Righteous Fights

Allyson, to me "subhuman" is an extremely loaded word. If you'd just said that Zoe had behaved in such a way as to not to deserve the respect and politeness ordinarily accorded to a Buffista, I wouldn't be having nearly as strong a reaction.


Allyson - Apr 14, 2003 4:53:46 pm PDT #9977 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Or for reasons totally unrelated to the above?

Reasons totally unrelated. I am aware that you're poking me, BTW. It doesn't actually hurt.


Laura - Apr 14, 2003 4:54:11 pm PDT #9978 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.

I understand your feelings Allyson, and I understand the community standards (I think). I appreciate that you have explained yourself and I appreciate that you have shown your respect for the community by agreeing to not kickbe rude to Zoe in the future.


bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 4:56:33 pm PDT #9979 of 10001

Paul, I think Allyson explained the other day why she has more or less stopped posting here: Allyson "Bureaucracy 1: Like Kafka, Only Funnier" Apr 12, 2003 5:54:47 pm EDT


askye - Apr 14, 2003 4:56:51 pm PDT #9980 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

askye - Apr 14, 2003 4:58:31 pm PDT #9981 of 10001
Thrive to spite them

Never mind that was uncalled for.


bitterchick - Apr 14, 2003 5:01:32 pm PDT #9982 of 10001

Oh but see, I was going to agree with you, askye.

I have definitely felt a sense that "this person who seems to be causing trouble" is more important than the dozen or more posters who have an issue with that poster. I'm not sure why that is. But then again, I got into it over Schmoker for reasons that had nothing to do with Schmoker himself so maybe I'm missing the bigger picture here.


PaulJ - Apr 14, 2003 5:03:04 pm PDT #9983 of 10001

Reasons totally unrelated. I am aware that you're poking me, BTW. It doesn't actually hurt.

Funny. I responded in the first place because I was feeling poked by you.

The sequence of events in the last few posts, as I saw them, was:

  • Allyson (you, since you're here) post about Zoe in terms that several people here have considered inflammatory.

  • One person says that she would like you to apologize. You say that you won't.

  • Another person (micole) asks you to stop.

  • You refuse to do so, and claim that the language that you've been using in the last posts is just "honesty". You also drop as an aside that your respect for the community is waning.

That's how I saw it from where I'm standing... but then again, getting into a discussion about who is feeling poked by the other is probably useless.