Does an abstain count toward a minimum number of voters? My gut says no.
This was one of the questions proposed for the second ballot, upthread.
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Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 9:37:58 pm PST #6465 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
John H - Mar 03, 2003 9:39:20 pm PST #6466 of 10001
Even I'm getting the headspins and the déjà vu now...
How about we deal with the MVT question first?
We've got two proposals: a 10-65 deathmatch, though some are arguing to tweak the numbers a little, and a 10,20,30,40,50,60 preferential vote.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 9:39:45 pm PST #6467 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
This was one of the questions proposed for the second ballot, upthread.
I know. I am just discussing.
I am not even sure if we can deal with the whole ballot right now.
Obviously we are all working from different definitions of abstain.
Burrell - Mar 03, 2003 9:40:15 pm PST #6468 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
Oh jeez, now we need to define the definition of abstain too?!? Abstain means you AREN'T VOTING, hence your vote isn't counted in the total. Or what, are we gonna have our own special meaning for the term?
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 9:40:58 pm PST #6469 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Unfortunately, John, I don't think we can have an informed vote about voter turnout if we don't know if abstains count. I think they both need to be discussed simaltaneously.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 9:41:02 pm PST #6470 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Abstain means you AREN'T VOTING, hence your vote isn't counted in the total. Or what, are we gonna have our own special meaning for the term?
The issue is -- is there a difference from submitting an ABSTAIN and just not showing up?
Burrell - Mar 03, 2003 9:41:24 pm PST #6471 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
How about we deal with the MVT question first?
How about not now? Seriously. How many people have to register their frustration before it gets recognized?
John H - Mar 03, 2003 9:41:33 pm PST #6472 of 10001
I'd recommend TAKING A WEEK OFF from both discussions and voting.
I'd support that myself if other people wanted it.
We always knew we might have to decide the MVT issue though, going in.
We decided to have a vote for "MVT required", and a vote-off for the actual number if it passed.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 9:41:47 pm PST #6473 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
Oh jeez, now we need to define the definition of abstain too?!? Abstain means you AREN'T VOTING, hence your vote isn't counted in the total. Or what, are we gonna have our own special meaning for the term?
That was sort of my point. It doesn't seem like people understand this, since they think it should count.
Burrell - Mar 03, 2003 9:42:48 pm PST #6474 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
The issue is -- is there a difference from submitting an ABSTAIN and just not showing up?
From the point of view of the vote count? No. From the point of view of the MVT? That's up for debate. But the meaning of abstaining remains the same--it's not a vote.