But if we're using "majority" to mean "50%+1" then the abstentions have to count, don't they?
Not if you define it as 50% +1 of those who have an opinion. Which, again, is how Congress & UN work.
Oy... We really should have defined our terms better.
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Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 9:27:37 pm PST #6455 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
askye - Mar 03, 2003 9:29:23 pm PST #6456 of 10001
Thrive to spite them
Jess that's what I was thinking.
I can understand using 50%+1 when we only have 2 Issues because that's how it will add up.
But if there are more than 2 Issues OR if we include abstaining votes then we have to use the most number of votes because there's no way there can be 50%+1.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 9:30:28 pm PST #6457 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 9:31:13 pm PST #6458 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Why would you abstain instead of voting "no"?
You might if abstains count towards the minimum voter turnout. You might think an issue is important enough to be decided, even though you, yourself, can't decide. This is another reason why it makes no sense (to me) for abstains to count towards the number needed for a majority.
Jessica - Mar 03, 2003 9:33:34 pm PST #6459 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
If abstentions aren't counted as votes, then why are they even on the ballot?
Jon B. - Mar 03, 2003 9:34:52 pm PST #6460 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Reread my first two sentences above, Jess.
§ ita § - Mar 03, 2003 9:34:54 pm PST #6461 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If abstentions aren't counted as votes, then why are they even on the ballot?
MVT.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 9:36:03 pm PST #6462 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
So we have many abstaining issues...
Does an abstain count toward a minimum number of voters? My gut says no. Abstaining to me ( and dictionary .com) means 1. To refrain from something by one's own choice: abstain from traditional political rhetoric. See Synonyms at refrain1. 2. To refrain from voting: Forty senators voted in favor of the bill, 45 voted against it, and 15 abstained.
Maybe we need to make an option of:
"Thinks the item needs further discussion" or "Thinks item should be decided, but doesn't like the options?
Does abstain count toward a majority? Also, I think no. Becuase abstaining is not voting.
And most importantly, we have to agree on what abstain means.
Sophia Brooks - Mar 03, 2003 9:36:56 pm PST #6463 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I think abstaining was only on the ballot as a mistake. I think it was included becuase there were multiple issues and some people might not care for all of them.
Burrell - Mar 03, 2003 9:37:57 pm PST #6464 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
I voted for voting and I'm pretty much on the verge of swearing off any participation in future votes because I am sick to death of this thread and all the debate. I don't like it and I don't want to read it. But I feel like I'm supposed to in order to be a "good community member" or whatever.
Me too.
Honestly, I'd recommend TAKING A WEEK OFF from both discussions and voting. It's the immediate leap to MORE VOTES!!! that is pushing my buttons. Can't we just let things lie for a week and then move on to the next voting issue?