Dropping in to vote Yes on a music thread

I don't read Natter. I can't keep up, and I feel badly about skipping because then I miss that someone's neighbor broke his neck or someone bought a house. The variety of topics is so large in Natter that if I start skipping because folks are talking about jazz bands, I'll miss something I would care about. I don't feel so bad about skipping discussions of particular authors in Literary.

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No. No, no, no, no, no.

Know what? If one's behavior is so fucking obnoxious that they receive a warning from the most friggin polite human beings on the 'net, then they have an opportunity to clarify and apologize or stomp off in a hail of bullets AT THAT POINT.

Once you've been suspended? Fuck you. You have two months to think it over before having your say.

Banned? Fuck you with a rusty railing and no lube. At that point, you've proven yourself to be an asswipe with no regard for the community, so why should the community have regard for the asswipe?

If some piece of waste decks you in the mouth and takes your wallet, you would put out an ad in the paper inviting the shithead to your home to explain him/herself? Maybe make him/her a pot of tea?

Fuck that.

Yeah, I get that. But at the same time I'm not sure a "come over here and let's fight about it" message is any better. Especially early on, people bring their concerns here partly to avoid starting a big head-on confrontation I think, and to try to step aside for a moment and get some other perspectives.

I think the distinction lies in whether suspension is being discussed or not. If not, then that's one thing. If it is, then I don't think we can do so fairly without the person having the opportunity to mount a defence.

Note that suspension would not be an issue until after at least the first official warning, and presumably would wait on another offence as well.

Jon's argument that a music thread would be too tempting and draw him into further discussion does not sound compelling to me.

I know I'm not being rational. Hence my abstention.

Banned? Fuck you with a rusty railing and no lube.

coffee all over keyboard.

Ah, Allyson. You go, girl.

I tend to agree with Allyson. Except with fewer cuss words. I definitely don't agree with FayJay's "2 warnings" idea. I think the process is drawn out enough as is.

I prefer one warning, suspension and banning.

After one warning, a person is allowed to change their behavior and also defend it (and in the act of that defense prove that they are reasonable and understand the objections which have been mounted).

After a suspension, they are allowed to come back. They can also defend themselves.

As Allyson notes - we don't have to bend over backwards. We're welcoming and inclusive and we're civil but if you can't hit the ground running or if you don't lurk first and learn the culture or if you are unresponsive to a warning then that is your responsibility. We're not trigger happy with the suspensions. But we should never have to feel uncomfortable in our own space. Nobody should have to abandon a thread because somebody is being an asshole there.

If some piece of waste decks you in the mouth and takes your wallet, you would put out an ad in the paper inviting the shithead to your home to explain him/herself? Maybe make him/her a pot of tea?

With Allyson here.

Enough newbies found the thread here. He could have. There's fair and there's asking for trouble.

Just for the record - really no porn in Natter.

Porn Thread! t /really just joking I agree with the no NC-17.

I vote yes for music. I would be nice to have a place where specific questions wouldn't get lost. I'm sure they'll turn a bit nattery and develop sub-cultures, but I only regret that because there's no way I could catch up in them, and I want to read everything.

And nobody wanted to say to "Michael" that it's OK make a personal attack on James Cameron, but not on Allyson, because James Cameron's not a poster on this board?

But that of course brings up the question -- what should we do if he wants to sign up?