Somehow, Me thinks Penny's not in Lightbulbs anymore :)

Well, what if you don't *want* to take it very seriously? There's a FIAWOL and FIJAGH split starting here that might get tricky. I just don't have the time and inclination to tell a lot about myself here. Do you have to be a psychobabbler to post regularly? I hope not.

The point, for me, Caroma, was that without the context of the other bits of you (erm.. yous, this isn't you you specific.), I find it hard to see the jokes and the wry-bits and the humour or the sarcasm. And sometimes, if I'm erring on the side of caution, I don't immediately have an "aha! hyperbole ahoy" moment.

I find it particularly difficult when someone swings between appearing to be worked up about something they have read or seen and saying the equivalent of "lighten up, it's just a discussion"

Amd since I'm still wearing my newbie sticker (AIFG), can I ask you to please explain both FIAWOL and FIJAGH

I don't understand the proposition that because it started with the Jossverse, everything should be taken lightly or flippantly... A serious conversation is a serious conversation, period.

To which I might add, some of the most serious conversations I've ever had have started with "Excuse me! But what did you just say about Xander!?!?"

But that might just be me :)

Moonlit! Be not afraid of the COMM, for 'tis a wondrous thing!

Meara, I'm afeered of the COMM. I was overCOMMd in my first real delurk and now I find the lack of COMMing o' me strangely unfulfilling. You may have created a monster here people. But at least I'm gnarl enough to admit it.

It's an old Star Trek fandom thing from the Seventies, Julie.

FIAWOL means Fandom Is a Way of Life. FIJAGH means Fandom is Just a Goddamn Hobby.

By the way, I love your posts so far!

There's plenty of me in older Natter threads, but I just don't have the time to Natter anymore.

Leaning out the window as I drive by...

but towards the end there I was ready to trade BtVS and Angel for more Firefly.

Hey, I’m still there. Firefly was brilliant. Sigh.

I'm with Burrell. Firefly was such a breath of fresh air. Not to slam Buffy or Angel, but I would not expect the same team of writers to be able to keep churning out deep, socially analytical manuscripts in the same context for years and years and years. Eventually, you've tackled all the big subjects and it's time to move on to something new.

They've got to get out and stretch their muscles in a different genre. The wonderfullness of Firefly was the result.

Which probably means someone's going to tell me that Firefly was written by a completely different team than Buffy or Angel and my analogy doesn't work. Drat.

Short version (too late): I'd trade Buffy and Angel for Firefly, too. And when the time came, I'd trade Firefly and its fabulous spinoff, (The Early Show? Wash's Excellent Adventures with Dinosaurs? A Tour of Jayne's Bunk?), for Joss's next big idea.

Am I in the wrong thread?

Can I be in the corner with Burrell and Ms. H? The "trade Buffy and Angel for more Firefly corner," I mean. Although I'm sure both women are pleasant and amusing company, not to say positively eddifying and whatnot. But just to clarify.

(Bev puts down the wineglass and moves along.)

Ta, Caroma!

FIAWOL means Fandom Is a Way of Life.

FIJAGH means Fandom is Just a Goddamn Hobby.

Anyone else singing "Fandom's just another word for nothing left to lose"?

Just me then :)

Am I in the wrong thread?

If Ms. Havisham's wrong, I don't wanna be right :)

Can I be in the corner with Burrell and Ms. H?

It's getting crowded in here, Beverly... By which I mean, Yay!

Although I'm sure both women are pleasant and amusing company, not to say positively eddifying and whatnot.

Actually, since I found out about the kerfuffle about Zoe (haven't been reading Angel 'cause I've been behind in the watching) and since watching the war disagreements here with Caroma, I've been feeling a need to keep a low profile.

And don't take the wine away, Bev! If I'm going to be up past my bedtime, give me an excuse. :)

Anyone else singing "Fandom's just another word for nothing left to lose"?

I am now.

Sean, you there? Grab that one, wouldja?

Whee! More the merrier. I saw so much more in Firefly than Buffy--

No, start at the beginning. Buffy was so innovative and fresh and had such a punch when it started, and it kept getting better. And then the strain started to show, the effort of keeping it good. The show outgrew the premise and had to search and fumble a bit for the next thing, and by the time it had settled into it, it wasn't, somehow, as shiny anymore. But hey! There was Angel, and it was gawky and new and fresh and wow, they were doing some mighty interesting and innovative stuff there, and ...

like that. Both shows, better than anything else (I watched, anyway) on tv, but not as full of newness, that fresh energy, that can't-wait-to-see-where-it-goes-next feeling. And Firefly had that. Plus, it was grownups. And it was premises that were done to death, old-hat, cliched, more than one of them, one would think unmixy. But put them in a magic box and shake them up, let Joss give them an oblique twist, and hey! Firefly. Everything about it clicked. Even starting with The Train Job, even shuffled airing order, it caught me first episode. Even the western-speak and the theme music.

The best thing on tv since Farscape.

Yeah, I'm still bitter.

Can I be in the corner with Burrell and Ms. H?

It's a very good corner.

(sets carafe on table with clean glasses)

Help yourselves. House red. Cheap, but tasty.