Nandi: I ain't her. Mal: Only people in this room is you and me.

'Heart Of Gold'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

Add yourself to the Buffista map while you're here by updating your profile.


Fay - Feb 02, 2003 6:10:04 pm PST #1437 of 9843
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

vampire myths aren't that old.

Um. I believe that Romans had vampire myths (involving victims having their noses bitten off), and I've got a pretty strong feeling that there are variations on the theme of blood-sucking monster/undead in Asia and South America, although I may be talking shite.


Min - Feb 02, 2003 6:10:16 pm PST #1438 of 9843
Is that Narrative Causality or Historical Imperative or just plain weird?

What Fay and Ple, and the rest of you said as I was sleeping. Zoe, this thread was started as a haven for those without the latest episodes, back in the dark ages when there was only one Buffista thread on TT. Nowadays we're our own little community, and conversations ebb and flow according to interest and timezones. As flea said, the posts will pick up in the next few weeks, as Australia starts airing Buffy s7.

Oh, and I think the term UnAmerican conveys what we are quickly and efficiently, and that the thread title is funny and very much in the Buffista spirit of mocking with love.


flea - Feb 02, 2003 6:10:59 pm PST #1439 of 9843
information libertarian

I'm sorry to tell you, Zoe, that McDonald IS an American name. As is Trybyczewski. As is Subido. As is ... I could go on. (These are all real last names of Actual Americans I know). America is like this - I don't think it's a bad thing, and in fact I'm pretty proud of it.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:11:48 pm PST #1440 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

vampire myths aren't that old.

Um. I believe that Romans had vampire myths (involving victims having their noses bitten off), and I've got a pretty strong feeling that there are variations on the theme of blood-sucking monster/undead in Asia and South America, although I may be talking shite.

Interesting.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:12:50 pm PST #1441 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

I'm sorry to tell you, Zoe, that McDonald IS an American name.

Like I said about the cat. There are many, many highlanders who would dispute that.


P.M. Marc - Feb 02, 2003 6:14:13 pm PST #1442 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And although America has a myriad of cultural roots they have only been reworking them in movies for the last 50 years or so.

Try closer to a hundred, babe. Which is to say, a reworking of myths with an American POV/Bent has been going on as long as there have been pictures that moved. And longer, if you feel the urge to count books, or plays, or whatnot.

Taking myths from a source and reworking them doesn't make them American it's like saying that "MacDonald" is an American name because it is an American cultural reference as well and Oops that cat's escaped!

Your logic here escapes me.


billytea - Feb 02, 2003 6:15:13 pm PST #1443 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I *think* (and someone please correct me if I'm culturally off base) that UnAmerican has acheived a backhanded non-negative status, since it was used as an insult by People We Don't Like.

I see it in much the same light, rather like the Rats of Tobruk or such like. (Plus, especially libving here, I get a bit of a kick out of being UnAmerican on occasion.)

I know one person who fled this page because of the thread titles, but that was because she thought we were trashing the shows since the titles were humorous and mocking.

This is probably a fair comment. I think in some ways I'd be offended if we UnAmericans were treated differently from the other threads. In Australia, if you're not willing to give and receive the occasional snark, you're no friend of mine.

Or one could even interpret the "all ogle - no cash" as this being the thread for links to free porn.

Hee. Ok, this could be a problem. FTR, I won't be overly sorry to see the 'all ogle, no cash' bit disappear once the thread ticks over (I have Anya issues), but I do like the UnAmerican bit.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:16:38 pm PST #1444 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

Try closer to a hundred, babe. Which is to say, a reworking of myths with an American POV/Bent has been going on as long as there have been pictures that moved. And longer, if you feel the urge to count books, or plays, or whatnot.

100 years is a very short time. Like I said I'm not saying that vampire myths have not become an american cultural reference cos they have, only that they are not an American cultural creation.


Burrell - Feb 02, 2003 6:18:08 pm PST #1445 of 9843
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Okay, I am an American, so I'll gladly step out of this, but I think that we have two separate issues being conflated. The first is a dislike of the term UnAmerican, the second is a sense that there is not enough regard for the fact that vampire myths did not originate in America. But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:19:51 pm PST #1446 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.

I'm not sure there is one.