River: The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems. Mal: See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like.

'Safe'


All Ogle, No Cash -- It's Not Just Annoying, It's Un-American

Discussion of episodes currently airing in Un-American locations (anything that's aired in Australia is fair game), as well as anything else the Un-Americans feel like talking about or we feel like asking them. Please use the show discussion threads for any current-season discussion.

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Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:19:51 pm PST #1446 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.

I'm not sure there is one.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 02, 2003 6:19:51 pm PST #1447 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

OK-- now I am just being argumentative, but isn't the primary "myth" or "trope" or what have you that Buffy sprang from NOT the vampire myth, but rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster? But turned on its head? A youngish cliche to be sure, but I think the vampires were just sort of convenient.


P.M. Marc - Feb 02, 2003 6:19:54 pm PST #1448 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

100 years is a very short time. Like I said I'm not saying that vampire myths have not become an american cultural reference cos they have, only that they are not an American cultural creation.

100 years is about the whole history of film.

Sorry, can't go back much further.


Sophia Brooks - Feb 02, 2003 6:20:39 pm PST #1449 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Also, I realize I can't spell-- I will go back and edit.


P.M. Marc - Feb 02, 2003 6:20:56 pm PST #1450 of 9843
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Cereal:

OK-- now I am just being argumentitive, but isn't the primary "myth" or "trope" or what have you that Buffy sprang from NOT the vampire myth, but rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster?

Yes, that is the particular trope that Buffy set out to trump, and it is, in fact, a trope found more in USian films than in non-USian films.


Zoe Finch - Feb 02, 2003 6:21:27 pm PST #1451 of 9843
Gradh tu fhein

rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster? But turned on its head?

Does this stem from the medievel damsel in distress? {/causing trouble}


Betsy HP - Feb 02, 2003 6:21:30 pm PST #1452 of 9843
If I only had a brain...

Nosebiting vampires? Man, would Buffy be bent out of shape. "Do you know how much Alexis PAID for that nose?"

There are many, many highlanders who would dispute that.

They'd be silly to do so. My great-grandmother was a McKinley born and bred. Doesn't make her (or me) a Scot. The point that we arrogant Colonials are trying to make is that our culture is a blend of other cultures, we relish that, but we have no less right to the classical European myths than do people born on the Old Sod. Back in 1400 my ancestors weren't Americans. I don't know what-all they were; English and Scots for sure, and probably a lot more that I don't know about. But Chartres is mine, and Stonehenge, and Olympus. The Albert Memorial, I'll give you. *g*


Sophia Brooks - Feb 02, 2003 6:23:15 pm PST #1453 of 9843
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

What I find rather interesting is that the myth of vampires in the Buffyverse is the same as the real vampires in the Buffyverse. The bumpy face, etc. Until Tabula Rasa, I thought their myth would be more like our (white face, cape, turns into a bat, walk around with fangs).


billytea - Feb 02, 2003 6:24:17 pm PST #1454 of 9843
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

100 years is about the whole history of film.

Just to tie this back into the thread topic, in 1906 the movie The Story of the Kelly Gang opened in Melbourne. This was perhaps the first narrative film of any significant length in the world.


Penny B. - Feb 02, 2003 6:24:18 pm PST #1455 of 9843
Nobody

It isn't an arrogant point at all, Betsy. My ancestors are English, but when I went back to England I felt like the foreigner I was. I relate to the culture a fair bit, but it isn't mine.