I *think* (and someone please correct me if I'm culturally off base) that UnAmerican has acheived a backhanded non-negative status, since it was used as an insult by People We Don't Like.

I see it in much the same light, rather like the Rats of Tobruk or such like. (Plus, especially libving here, I get a bit of a kick out of being UnAmerican on occasion.)

I know one person who fled this page because of the thread titles, but that was because she thought we were trashing the shows since the titles were humorous and mocking.

This is probably a fair comment. I think in some ways I'd be offended if we UnAmericans were treated differently from the other threads. In Australia, if you're not willing to give and receive the occasional snark, you're no friend of mine.

Or one could even interpret the "all ogle - no cash" as this being the thread for links to free porn.

Hee. Ok, this could be a problem. FTR, I won't be overly sorry to see the 'all ogle, no cash' bit disappear once the thread ticks over (I have Anya issues), but I do like the UnAmerican bit.

Try closer to a hundred, babe. Which is to say, a reworking of myths with an American POV/Bent has been going on as long as there have been pictures that moved. And longer, if you feel the urge to count books, or plays, or whatnot.

100 years is a very short time. Like I said I'm not saying that vampire myths have not become an american cultural reference cos they have, only that they are not an American cultural creation.

Okay, I am an American, so I'll gladly step out of this, but I think that we have two separate issues being conflated. The first is a dislike of the term UnAmerican, the second is a sense that there is not enough regard for the fact that vampire myths did not originate in America. But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.

But I'm not seeing the connection between the two.

I'm not sure there is one.

OK-- now I am just being argumentative, but isn't the primary "myth" or "trope" or what have you that Buffy sprang from NOT the vampire myth, but rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster? But turned on its head? A youngish cliche to be sure, but I think the vampires were just sort of convenient.

100 years is a very short time. Like I said I'm not saying that vampire myths have not become an american cultural reference cos they have, only that they are not an American cultural creation.

100 years is about the whole history of film.

Sorry, can't go back much further.

Also, I realize I can't spell-- I will go back and edit.

Cereal:

OK-- now I am just being argumentitive, but isn't the primary "myth" or "trope" or what have you that Buffy sprang from NOT the vampire myth, but rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster?

Yes, that is the particular trope that Buffy set out to trump, and it is, in fact, a trope found more in USian films than in non-USian films.

rather the horror movie cliche that the young pretty girl will get killed by the monster? But turned on its head?

Does this stem from the medievel damsel in distress? {/causing trouble}

Nosebiting vampires? Man, would Buffy be bent out of shape. "Do you know how much Alexis PAID for that nose?"

There are many, many highlanders who would dispute that.

They'd be silly to do so. My great-grandmother was a McKinley born and bred. Doesn't make her (or me) a Scot. The point that we arrogant Colonials are trying to make is that our culture is a blend of other cultures, we relish that, but we have no less right to the classical European myths than do people born on the Old Sod. Back in 1400 my ancestors weren't Americans. I don't know what-all they were; English and Scots for sure, and probably a lot more that I don't know about. But Chartres is mine, and Stonehenge, and Olympus. The Albert Memorial, I'll give you. *g*