Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Other Media 2: It's Astounishing!

Discussion of comics, graphic novels, and more. Except for capes. No capes!

Please use spoiler font for new releases until after the weekend following release.


Strega - Jan 01, 2007 5:39:24 pm PST #38 of 5059

It's really cutting to the core of the costumed vigilate/superhero ethos, isn't it?
It was one of the first comics I read, so the things about it that are groundbreaking are things that I was (and mostly still am) blissfully unaware of. I admire it immensely, but I don't really like it. I don't dislike it, either, but... I think when I pick it up now I wind up going, "Ah yes, it's quite clever what he's doing here" not, "Wow, this is an entertaining read!"

Plus, I'd seen that Outer Limits episode, so even on the first read I was going, "Oh... Seriously?" And then I have one Citizen-Kane-esque problem with the actual plot.


Laga - Jan 01, 2007 6:09:47 pm PST #39 of 5059
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Yes I think the big challenge with bringing Watchmen to the big screen today is that we already know that a terrible deadly tragedy striking NYC did not help to unify the nation. If anything it polarized us even more. If I was screenwriting I might consider rewriting the entire ending, maybe Rorschach and Nightowl could stop Veidt's plan. (White font spoils the whole damn book so don't read it if you haven't read the book!)


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 6:40:19 pm PST #40 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hmmm, I don't know if your premise in whitefont holds, Laga. I'd say 9/11 did unite the country. It was Bush's response to it that divided people.

As for Watchman, I admire it more than I love it. And I love a lot of Moore's work. I'd been following him since Miracleman was Marvelman, and his entire run on Swamp Thing completely changed comics. (There wouldn't be Vertigo without it. Gaiman followed very carefully in his footsteps until he established his own voice).

Moore is an interesting writer. He gets the iconic value of characters better than anybody. He got Superman like nobody did. It's important to remember that Watchman started when DC picked up the minor superhero characters from Charlton and asked Moore to do something cool with them. But when they saw his approach they decided their property couldn't be used that way. But he was again using an established characters and continuity in a very rich way.


Laga - Jan 01, 2007 6:47:28 pm PST #41 of 5059
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

You make a very good point about Bush & 9/11 DavidS. Man I hate that fucker. Still I think the big ending is so reminiscent of 9/11 that I'm just not sure if it really works anymore.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 7:00:35 pm PST #42 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Well, the big ending is more or less the narrative behind the huge conspiracy theory that 9/11 was engineered by Bush to justify an Iraq invasion. I don't believe it, but that story has legs.


Polter-Cow - Jan 01, 2007 7:36:55 pm PST #43 of 5059
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I loved Watchmen. I was so impressed that it lived up to all the hype. So very interesting and complex and surprising and deep without trying too hard. Although it did try pretty hard at times.


DavidS - Jan 01, 2007 8:20:48 pm PST #44 of 5059
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Although it did try pretty hard at times.

Have you seen the script? Moore was shooting for Pynchon-like density of allusion. Every freaking visual in that book was scripted. A character throwing away a scrap of paper? Moore wrote it.

I'll always love Swamp Thing and V for Vendetta the most because that's where I discovered him, and that's where he discovered his talent. Those were fucking mind blowing comics in that era, I'll tell you what.


Laga - Jan 01, 2007 8:24:18 pm PST #45 of 5059
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Watchmen will always be my first but I think I enjoy League the most though I haven't got myself a copy of Lost Girls yet, darnit. I do have a birthday this month...


Strega - Jan 01, 2007 8:40:01 pm PST #46 of 5059

I have a copy of Lost Girls! Sort of. It's at my brother's house, because it arrived late. Sigh. Maybe I'll go pick it up after work tomorrow.

I think I've asked before, but did anyone here read Voice of the Fire?


Sean K - Jan 01, 2007 8:44:34 pm PST #47 of 5059
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

But I do love "Watchmen." Partly because it broke open so many doors, but also because it's got so many classic bits. And because of Rhorsach.

"You people don't understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. You're all locked up in here with me."