Actually not needing validation right now, but thank you.

Buffy ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 42, the Universe, and Everything  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, flaming otters, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Feb 01, 2006 7:58:08 am PST #4185 of 10002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

and support for abstinence and adoption have made a difference in the character of our country.

Yes, it has. It has made this country even more small-minded and misogynist.


kat perez - Feb 01, 2006 7:58:19 am PST #4186 of 10002
"We have trust issues." Mylar

Oh, I love Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet. Even though I think much of it is not very good, the good parts are wonderful. There was a spell back about a month ago where it was on cable every other day it seemed. No matter what, I could not NOT watch, at least up until Leomeo drives off into the desert with Balthazar Getty.

And from upthread, thanks for posting the links to the TAR 9 teams, sumi. I had to stop watching TAR:FE. Nearly broke my heart. I want my show back so badly.


Jessica - Feb 01, 2006 7:58:23 am PST #4187 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yet many Americans, especially parents, still have deep concerns about the direction of our culture, and the health of our most basic institutions. They are concerned about unethical conduct by public officials, and discouraged by activist courts that try to redefine marriage.

Well yes, but I don't think I'm worried in quite the way that he means....


Gudanov - Feb 01, 2006 8:02:10 am PST #4188 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Some stuff about opposing stem cell research and abortion and then summing up a call to fight AIDs especially in the black community, well the church-going black community at least. Then the pretty standard upbeat wrap-up.

Sorry about the longness, I just wanted to share some thoughts about it.


tommyrot - Feb 01, 2006 8:03:34 am PST #4189 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

In defense of chimeras:

[link]

I'm getting a lot of "WTF?" email about this statement from Bush:

Tonight I ask you to pass legislation to prohibit the most egregious abuses of medical research, human cloning in all its forms, creating or implanting embryos for experiments, creating human-animal hybrids, and buying, selling or patenting human embryos.

It's pure political calculus. He throws away the mad scientist and pig-man vote, and wins the religious ignoramus vote…and we know which one has the majority here.

But guess what? Creating chimeras is legitimate and useful scientific research; it's really happening. Of course, it isn't with the intent of creating monstrous half-animal/half-human slaves or something evil like that, and scientists are well aware (or should be well aware) of the ethical concerns, and it's the topic of ongoing debate. Let's consider one recent example of such an experiment.

Down syndrome is a very common genetic disorder caused by the presence of an extra chromosome 21. That kind of genetic insult causes a constellation of problems: mild to moderate mental retardation, heart defects, and weakened immune systems, and various superficial abnormalities. It's also a viable defect, and produces walking, talking, interacting human beings who are loved by their friends and families, who would really like to be able to do something about those lifespan-reducing health problems. We would love to have an animal model of Down syndrome, so that, for example, we could figure out exactly what gene overdose is causing the immune system problems or the heart defects, and develop better treatments for them.

So what scientists have been doing is inserting human genes into mice, to produce similar genetic overdoses in their development. As I reported before, there have been partial insertions, but now a team of researchers has inserted a complete human chromosome 21 into mouse embryonic stem cells, and from those generated a line of aneuploid mice that have many of the symptoms of Down syndrome, including the heart defects. They also have problems in spatial learning and memory that have been traced back to defects in long-term potentiation in the central nervous system.

These mice are a tool to help us understand a debilitating human problem.

George W. Bush would like to make them illegal.


DavidS - Feb 01, 2006 8:04:24 am PST #4190 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

that it's not vague "injuries" they're talking about, but traumatic brain injury.

He's not going to be an anchorperson anymore.


Gudanov - Feb 01, 2006 8:05:48 am PST #4191 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

Creating chimeras is legitimate and useful scientific research; it's really happening. Of course, it isn't with the intent of creating monstrous half-animal/half-human

Well, speak for yourself.

Seriously, that's a good point though. There is some valuable research at risk. One of the reasons for splicing human DNA into animal cells is to skirt around having to use human stem cells (I think there is some research to that purpose, but I don't have a source at the moment)


Jessica - Feb 01, 2006 8:09:05 am PST #4192 of 10002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

it isn't with the intent of creating monstrous half-animal/half-human

"Monstrous" is such a loaded word. Can't we just call them Chimeran-Americans?


Sue - Feb 01, 2006 8:09:12 am PST #4193 of 10002
hip deep in pie

On CBS last night, they covered Woodruff and Vogt returning to the US, and they mentioned they were only two of about 24 injured people on being transported on the flight (the rest being injured military people) and that there's flights like that all the time (weekly, I think was the word they used). Very sobering.


tommyrot - Feb 01, 2006 8:10:04 am PST #4194 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Well, speak for yourself.

Hush. They have to say that, to maintain public support. But in their secret meetings and isolated research facilities (such as the one run by Dr Moreau) they can be more open about their goals.