Fire bad. Tree pretty.

Buffy ,'Chosen'


Veronica Mars: Annoy, Tiny Blonde One. Annoy Like the Wind.

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Topic!Cindy - Nov 15, 2006 2:31:13 am PST #4263 of 5730
What is even happening?

( continues...)

razor? Which was disproved tonight.

Frank, we've known she remembers some of Shelly Pomroy's party. She's remembered taking the drink and feeling off, since sometime in season 1.

I don't like this repeated hammering of "Veronica is a judgmental, untrusting shrew who will drive the people who love her away!" anvils and the after-school special-esque lessons via cases wherein Veronica learns to trust and be forgiving. I mean, the people who she loved *did* let her down and her massive trust issues are valid characterization points, so the complexities are there, yet I feel like the writing is going about this arc in a particularly graceless way. Bah.

Oh, I feel just the opposite, because Keith does deserve way more understanding from Veronica, and yet she's totally right about the Harmony situation (which I am feeling is more and more of a set up for the second arc). He shouldn't be with her, at least not until she's broken off with her husband, and Vinnie giving Keith the "special" was, to me, proof of that. In this 'verse, when Keith Mars is doing something that allows Vinnie Vanlowe to get something on him, that something Keith is doing is wrong.

Similarly, with Logan, Veronica has known Logan for years. She knows he's not the ideal boyfriend. And she knows he's trying. She had every reason to be suspicious of him refusing to tell her Mercer's alibi, and yet she does have good reason to think he's faithful to her, because, given what we know of his romantic history, he hasn't been a big cheater; he's been the one who was cheated on (Lilly, Caitlin Ford). And yet, he comes from this family where cheating was a way of life. If Veronica weren't suspicious of Logan, I'd think pod-people had gotten her brain.

Well, I think it's at least good because people have been bitching about Veronica all season, and these later episodes have made it clear that the writers have actually been aware of how she's been acting.

Yes. Also this.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 15, 2006 2:34:15 am PST #4264 of 5730
What is even happening?

Oh, shit. Now I think it's Piz.

eta...

Wow, I just got a gander at my f-list. I can't believe how much hate I'm seeing for this episode on lj.

I thought there were a couple of contrivances beneath the show (um...couldn't their alibi have just been, "We were in Tiajuana" and wow, it sure was convenient that Logan found Veronica), but I thought it was a great episode.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2006 5:18:09 am PST #4265 of 5730
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

If they want to be together, they can wait a week, let Harmony do the less dishonorable thing and break off with her husband (who left a project at work in order to avoid temptation), first.

That last bit makes me wonder how honest Harmony is being about things between her and her husband. Keith is trusting what she says about her marriage because he wants to.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 15, 2006 5:27:32 am PST #4266 of 5730
What is even happening?

I am convinced Harmony is a femme fatale, setting up Keith for something in the second arc (should we get one, please let us get one).

Did nobody besides tiggy and me notice that Charlie Weber played Glen, though?


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2006 5:29:11 am PST #4267 of 5730
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I knew he looked familiar!


Amy - Nov 15, 2006 5:32:14 am PST #4268 of 5730
Because books.

I don't know why I thought that was Piz. Maybe with the background noise I heard the "Fish" in DJ Hellfish as "Piz". Or maybe because the radio shows were referenced so often, and he was in so much of the episode. Oops.

I am convinced Harmony is a femme fatale, setting up Keith for something in the second arc (should we get one, please let us get one).

I thought that, too. I think you may have planted the idea, Cindy, but last night I really felt her declarations of Feelings were way over the top.

Did nobody besides tiggy and me notice that Charlie Weber played Glen, though?

I knew he looked familiar! But the weird wig and the surfer dude attitude threw me.


Vonnie K - Nov 15, 2006 5:33:38 am PST #4269 of 5730
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I was actually fine with Veronica's disappointment in Keith and distrust in Logan -- the call back to Jake and Lianne was a particularly nice touch -- but I hated that last voice-over about how Veronica has now learned to be more trusting and forgiving, which was worst kind of tell-not-show resolution. I felt like I was watching bloody 7th Heaven, not VM.


DXMachina - Nov 15, 2006 5:33:51 am PST #4270 of 5730
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Did nobody besides tiggy and me notice that Charlie Weber played Glen, though?

I noticed. I was hoping Keith would stop by and smother him.


Daisy Jane - Nov 15, 2006 5:35:37 am PST #4271 of 5730
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I'm not sure that she's learned to be more trusting and forgiving, just that even when people you love do things that disgust you, they can still be the people who have your back. Doesn't have to be one or the other.


Steph L. - Nov 15, 2006 5:40:29 am PST #4272 of 5730
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Oh, shit. Now I think it's Piz.

Why? (I'm just curious, since you posted it like it was an epiphany.)