Just rewatched. It's not Piz on the radio.
Yeah, I was confused about the whole Piz thing in this thread. He sounded like Piz but identified himself as "DJ Hellfish," when Piz A) isn't a DJ, he has a talk show and B) calls himself "The Piz."
I don't like this repeated hammering of "Veronica is a judgmental, untrusting shrew who will drive the people who love her away!" anvils and the after-school special-esque lessons via cases wherein Veronica learns to trust and be forgiving. I mean, the people who she loved *did* let her down and her massive trust issues are valid characterization points, so the complexities are there, yet I feel like the writing is going about this arc in a particularly graceless way. Bah.
Well, I think it's at least good because people have been bitching about Veronica all season, and these later episodes have made it clear that the writers have actually been aware of how she's been acting.
Yada yada rape head shave oh Piz gee whiz. People, you're missing the most important part!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Glen = Ben = Glory
I think the GF was using Ockham's razor better than Veronica. Not about the space lasers--but about something being wrong with him. You gotta take an extra "all men are dogs" step to get where Veronica went.
Glen = Ben = Glory
I knew that chin dimple looked familiar!! also? hella amused that Glen is a mixture of Glory and Ben letter wise.
i'm sick of seeing unnecessarily bitchy Veronica. i'm sick of seeing lapdog Logan. i'm sick of our regular characters not being utilized. however, the last ten minutes made me more excited for this show than i've been in a long time.
Are we supposed to believe someone put the hair in her pasta on purpose? What was the plan if she didn't conveniently leave her drink on the table?
I suspect the opportunity just presented itself. There may have been another plan, but then there was this chance.
Is this supposed to make us believe that the rapes are definitely not rapes, just staged to look like rapes? Why else would someone start by cutting her hair?
AmyLiz, I think Veronica was drugged/shaved in retaliation for her outing Claire's lies. Nish threatened her, remember? I don't think the rapist did this to Veronica (unless the rapist did this to Veronica to make it look like Nish et al did this to Veronica, thereby making it look like there is no rapist).
I do think there is a rapist. Some of the women must have gone to the hospital, and been examined after the rapes, right? Some of them must have woken up feeling (physically) like they'd been involved in some sexual activity.
If there weren't only two episodes left to this arc, my guess would be that if/once Veronica figured out it was one of the women who got her, she'd start to question if there were rapes at all, and then give up the investigation, leading the rapist to get careless. However, since there are only two episodes left, I'm not sure how they could squeeze all that in.
And EW -- *PIZ* is the rapist?!? He knew she'd be in the food court, and he knew she'd be coming back to Wallace's room.
Teppy, I went there where I was watching, too. I don't think we can count him out completely. I'd like to count him out on the basis of last year's rapes, but, of course, we know at least one of the rapes took place when prospective freshman were visiting Hearst, because that's how Troy got accused in the first place. I don't really think it's him, because there was more than one rape last year, and they weren't all during the time we know prospective freshman were visiting. I can't rule him out, though. I'll be hella impressed if it's Piz, because not only have they presented him onscreen as this happy, easy going guy, they've sold him like that in promoting him, too. That would be wonderfully devious.
My short list is Landry, the Dean, Not!Lucky, Moe, and Chip. Piz is the only person on my long shot list. I don't really think any of those people slipped Veronica the mickey, though. They all know what she's capable of. They'd have risked being spotted near her table, by her, or by someone else, in a really public setting. Certainly Landry and Not!Lucky would know better. I would think Piz would know better, too.
Really, REALLY pissed about Veronica guilt tripping Keith out of a relationship with someone he really liked for the second time, no matter how wrong it may have been.
Really? I'd have thought it completely out of character if she was open to a relationship with a married woman. She's seen too many tawdry affairs in her business to think it anything but nasty, dangerous, and beneath Keith. Keith and Harmony are forty-somethings, not hormone addled teenagers. If they want to be together, they can wait a week, let Harmony do the less dishonorable thing and break off with her husband (who left a project at work in order to avoid temptation), first.
I also think her attitude was a pitch perfect echo of her attitude about love and fidelity that we saw in the pilot. She's always had this attitude about cheating. She knows it's a nasty, and in the noirish world of Neptune, it's dangerous business. She's also only nineteen. She idealizes her father (and shouldn't to the extent she did, because he is only human). She spent the year she was seventeen questioning her own paternity. She got photos of Jake Kane outside her own mother's motel room. If Keith's affair with Harmony didn't push all her buttons, I'd be complaining that her characterization had gone all to hell.
And, not to be too snarky, but how would she know what was happening this time if she'd had a full dose the time before? Occam's (continued...)
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razor? Which was disproved tonight.
Frank, we've known she remembers some of Shelly Pomroy's party. She's remembered taking the drink and feeling off, since sometime in season 1.
I don't like this repeated hammering of "Veronica is a judgmental, untrusting shrew who will drive the people who love her away!" anvils and the after-school special-esque lessons via cases wherein Veronica learns to trust and be forgiving. I mean, the people who she loved *did* let her down and her massive trust issues are valid characterization points, so the complexities are there, yet I feel like the writing is going about this arc in a particularly graceless way. Bah.
Oh, I feel just the opposite, because Keith does deserve way more understanding from Veronica, and yet she's totally right about the Harmony situation (which I am feeling is more and more of a set up for the second arc). He shouldn't be with her, at least not until she's broken off with her husband, and Vinnie giving Keith the "special" was, to me, proof of that. In this 'verse, when Keith Mars is doing something that allows Vinnie Vanlowe to get something on him, that something Keith is doing is wrong.
Similarly, with Logan, Veronica has known Logan for years. She knows he's not the ideal boyfriend. And she knows he's trying. She had every reason to be suspicious of him refusing to tell her Mercer's alibi, and yet she does have good reason to think he's faithful to her, because, given what we know of his romantic history, he hasn't been a big cheater; he's been the one who was cheated on (Lilly, Caitlin Ford). And yet, he comes from this family where cheating was a way of life. If Veronica weren't suspicious of Logan, I'd think pod-people had gotten her brain.
Well, I think it's at least good because people have been bitching about Veronica all season, and these later episodes have made it clear that the writers have actually been aware of how she's been acting.
Yes. Also this.
Oh, shit. Now I think it's Piz.
eta...
Wow, I just got a gander at my f-list. I can't believe how much hate I'm seeing for this episode on lj.
I thought there were a couple of contrivances beneath the show (um...couldn't their alibi have just been, "We were in Tiajuana" and wow, it sure was convenient that Logan found Veronica), but I thought it was a great episode.
If they want to be together, they can wait a week, let Harmony do the less dishonorable thing and break off with her husband (who left a project at work in order to avoid temptation), first.
That last bit makes me wonder how honest Harmony is being about things between her and her husband. Keith is trusting what she says about her marriage because he wants to.
I am convinced Harmony is a femme fatale, setting up Keith for something in the second arc (should we get one, please let us get one).
Did nobody besides tiggy and me notice that Charlie Weber played Glen, though?
I knew he looked familiar!
