Veronica and Duncan were both victims. They both had horrible morning afters. Of course Duncan remembered what happened and didn't discuss it with Veronica, which pretty awful too.

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It is, but he took his cue from Veronica who also wasn't talking.

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So Veronica and Duncan were both raped even though no one raped them....

Yes, in that they had sex while unable to consent to sex. That doesn't mean they have to react in any certain way, of course. Veronica doesn't remember the event. What (at least as I saw the show) seemed most traumatic to her, was (a) waking up knowing it had happened without knowing who, how, why; (b) not having the Sheriff take her complaint seriously; (c) not knowing who she'd been with; (d) being slipped a mickey.

All of the above save (b) have been rectified. She doesn't have traumatic memories of it, or any memories of it, at all.

Duncan's primary concern was that he'd committed an act of incest. Once that was ruled out, his primary objection had been rectified.

I really thought this was a great twisty plot, by the way, because you couldn't really walk away from this reacting the way you would to a more conventional sort of rape plot. I was even more pleased that the sex occurred between two people who might have consented to having sex with each other (if they'd known there was no incest tabboo).

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Which'd make it rape anyway, even if they weren't GHBed up.

What's the age of consent in California? If they were both under the age of consent, I'm not sure if it's still considered statutory rape.

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All of the above save (b) have been rectified. She doesn't have traumatic memories of it, or any memories of it, at all.

Except for the knowledge that Duncan had sex with her when she was too impaired to consent, AND while *he* still thought she was his sister.

Duncan's primary concern was that he'd committed an act of incest. Once that was ruled out, his primary objection had been rectified.

Except for the fact that he had sex with Veronica even though she was too impaired to consent, AND at the time that he had sex with her, he still thought she was his sister.

That's why Duncan and Veronica being back together skeeves me hugely.

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Except for the knowledge that Duncan had sex with her when she was too impaired to consent, AND while *he* still thought she was his sister.

But Duncan was impaired as well. Though I agree that their being back together is skeevey.

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Except for the knowledge that Duncan had sex with her when she was too impaired to consent, AND while *he* still thought she was his sister.

But I think that was resolved to her satisfaction, once she realized he too was drugged. Undrugged Duncan wouldn't have done that to her. In fact, undrugged Duncan broke up with her to make sure that didn't happen.

I'm not skeeved by them being back together, because I read a lot of V.C. Andrews, and watched a lot of soap operas. Oh-no-my-lover-might-be-my-sibling gets old. If they're not related, I don't skeeve. I would have skeeved if they were together with him thinking they were siblings and not disclosing it.

I *did* skeeve seriously at Logan's line to Duncan in Wrath of Con. It was after Lilly kissed Veronica, and Duncan made some sort of remark about his sister kissing his girlfriend, and Logan said something along the lines of, "Oh yeah, like that's not on the rotation."

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But Duncan was impaired as well.

But being impaired didn't erase the knowledge that she was possibly his sister. It just erased his self-control.

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But being impaired didn't erase the knowledge that she was possibly his sister. It just erased his self-control.

Right, but Veronica and Duncan did not have any of the natural incest tabboo feelings toward one another, because they hadn't grown up thinking of each other as siblings.

It's skeevy as hell that he both had sex with her when he thought she was his sister, and then had to live with the idea that he'd slept with his sister. It is also understandable that he would be physically attracted to her still (I'm talking about at the time of the party), and that when drugged with an inhibition removing drug, the parts of his brain that would normally be turned off by her would be asleep on the job.

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I think it restricts it to a misdemeanor, Cindy, from my reading--as opposed to a possible felony. I know in MI my male cousins had these ages, etc drilled into them while they were still underage (it's 17 there) to get them to not sleep with girls their age.

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