Just specific in the grouping, really.

I had earlier tossed around the idea of Edwardian Winchesters, but upon inspection, who's going to touch that in a project like this? That's a labour of love, not a picked prompt.

Ah, well. I think my pictures lead to scenarios with questions, and I think that's what's important--that questions can be asked and answered about the illustration.

Man, I miss my laptop. It's out for repairs, and writing fic on my phone is really no fun at all. I'm determined to get through this next bit of the Discworld story, though-- every proper mystery needs a red herring, and I finally figured mine out.

Holli, I'm having a marvelous time reading your Discworld story, by the way. You're really hitting all the best notes with the characters and the way the city has changed over time. Plus the whole "Most Eligible Bachelor" thing is just a hoot.

I'm trying to articulate fridging. So far, for me, I think a death has to hit on all the below points to be a fridging:

• family member or SO or loved one of protagonist
• peripheral to action (not a protagonist)
• death is something that happens to them, not that they have a part in
• their death somehow sways or changes the protagonist

What am I not considering?

I see fridging as a death inflicted on the protagonist rather than the victim--the point of the exercise (by the writer or the antagonist) is the effect on the protagonist.

Also? Almost overwhelmingly female. (Although the fiance's death in the pilot of Alias would count as a fridging, that is relatively rare.)

I think that kids get fridged regardless of their gender.

I'm arguing with someone that says that Ellen and Jo were fridged because Dean was sad and they were female. But the death wasn't done to him. It didn't change his narrative path in the least. He reacted appropriately, but went on with what he was doing in the first place. Also, they died doing something. Jess? Jess was a textbook fridging. Five minutes of perfect girlfriend, and then trauma to drive protagonist to make a 180 in his life.

The major deaths of either Sam or Dean were more like fridgings than Jo and Ellen.

But kids are kids, so their gender doesn't matter as much.

Ellen and Jo were NOT fridged. Not in any way. Jess, absolutely.

Yeah. I hated that they killed off Jo and Ellen--it was (for me), the last straw, and I stopped watching the show at that point.

And yet, I wouldn't call it a fridging, because Jo & Ellen had some agency there, and while it resulted in trauma for Dean & Sam, the point wasn't the grief but (I assume) the isolation and realization of futility.

I still hate it, but it's not equivalent to Jess.

So, I agree that Jess was fridged, but is it "ok" if it is to set up the entire series? Was Mary fridged? I'm mostly just curious because this isn't something I have thought a lot about.

I don't think Mary turned out to have been fridged, since she got herself killed, and revealed herself to be a protagonist, not an accessory to the big plot. But up until that, sure. And that agency makes it absolutely not a fridging for me.