But kids are kids, so their gender doesn't matter as much.
Ellen and Jo were NOT fridged. Not in any way. Jess, absolutely.
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Amy - Aug 03, 2011 8:44:17 am PDT #7178 of 10434
Because books.
Consuela - Aug 03, 2011 8:48:39 am PDT #7179 of 10434
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Yeah. I hated that they killed off Jo and Ellen--it was (for me), the last straw, and I stopped watching the show at that point.
And yet, I wouldn't call it a fridging, because Jo & Ellen had some agency there, and while it resulted in trauma for Dean & Sam, the point wasn't the grief but (I assume) the isolation and realization of futility.
I still hate it, but it's not equivalent to Jess.
Stephanie - Aug 03, 2011 8:53:43 am PDT #7180 of 10434
Trust my rage
So, I agree that Jess was fridged, but is it "ok" if it is to set up the entire series? Was Mary fridged? I'm mostly just curious because this isn't something I have thought a lot about.
§ ita § - Aug 03, 2011 8:58:46 am PDT #7181 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't think Mary turned out to have been fridged, since she got herself killed, and revealed herself to be a protagonist, not an accessory to the big plot. But up until that, sure. And that agency makes it absolutely not a fridging for me.
Amy - Aug 03, 2011 9:03:15 am PDT #7182 of 10434
Because books.
I hated that they killed off Jo and Ellen--it was (for me), the last straw, and I stopped watching the show at that point.
I grieved -- I'd never cried that hard during the show before -- but it was war. Some people are not going to survive. I was very appreciative that a) we got to see them that season, and b) they were active participants, not just victims.
I know in the real world, it would be just as likely for Sam or Dean to have died a million times on the hunt, but the truth is, it's their show. And they've already died quite a few times for major protagonists, honestly.
Stephanie - Aug 03, 2011 11:22:21 am PDT #7183 of 10434
Trust my rage
That makes sense about Mary, ita. I think what I'm thinking of is this. Is fridging categorically bad? Because Jess' death seems critical to the story they wanted to tell. And they could have developed her more and given her some agency if she died in ep5 or something, but when she dies in the pilot, there's just not enough time to give her much of a story.
§ ita § - Aug 03, 2011 11:36:46 am PDT #7184 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think fridging is bad when it's typically how you treat your women and/or secondary characters.
Stephanie - Aug 03, 2011 11:51:29 am PDT #7185 of 10434
Trust my rage
That makes sense.
Consuela - Aug 06, 2011 3:29:26 pm PDT #7186 of 10434
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
Oh, Narnia fandom. The only fandom I know of where you get reviewed for the theological correctness of your fiction. ::facepalm::
§ ita § - Aug 06, 2011 4:53:48 pm PDT #7187 of 10434
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
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