Don't belong. Dangerous, like you. Can't be controlled. Can't be trusted. Everyone could just go on without me and not have to worry. People could be what they wanted to be. Could be with the people they wanted. Live simple. No secrets.

River ,'Objects In Space'


What Happens in Natter 35 Stays in Natter 35  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Cashmere - May 10, 2005 11:28:14 am PDT #2879 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Hmm. I shudder to think what a white t-shirt and khakis say about my inner life

You're not your fucking khakis. /Tyler Durden


DXMachina - May 10, 2005 11:29:20 am PDT #2880 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I shudder to think what a white t-shirt and khakis say about my inner life.

Vanilla?


Calli - May 10, 2005 11:30:38 am PDT #2881 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I tried wearing makeup daily after I shed 60 pounds. Eventually I decided that an extra 30 minutes of sleep did more for my looks than getting up early enough to put concealer under my eyes. I still like wearing make-up for special occasions, but to me it's like a costume: formal dinner drag, along with fun clothes and footwear. And when I play dress-up -- and wearing makeup falls into that category for me -- I like it when others are playing with me, male and female. Nothing says "Look at me, for I am Sir Hottie McHotness" like a fella who knows how to wear eyeliner.


Steph L. - May 10, 2005 11:30:57 am PDT #2882 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Hmm. I shudder to think what a white t-shirt and khakis say about my inner life

You're not your fucking khakis.

Oh, *I* know that. I just wonder what Sandra Dee images I'm putting forth.

I shudder to think what a white t-shirt and khakis say about my inner life.

Vanilla?

Exactly my point. Anyone who infers that, based on the way I look, is just missing out on fudge-ripple-nut-crunch-y goodness.


Cashmere - May 10, 2005 11:32:34 am PDT #2883 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

I just wonder what Sandra Dee images I'm putting forth.

So you have a wonderfully Vanilla exterior with a lovely, cream-filled, porny center.


DXMachina - May 10, 2005 11:33:32 am PDT #2884 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Like a Tootsie pop.


Aims - May 10, 2005 11:34:13 am PDT #2885 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

How many licks does it take.....


Jessica - May 10, 2005 11:35:14 am PDT #2886 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think EVERYONE, male or female, looks better with a smidge of concealer, powder, groomed eyebrows, mascara, and tinted lip balm. EVERYONE

I completely agree with this. And yet, I wear makeup extremely rarely, because for most of my day-to-day life, I'm not interested in looking "better." The effort I put into looking good corresponds directly with how important I think it is for whatever audience I'll have, and usually, it's pretty minimal.


DavidS - May 10, 2005 11:35:27 am PDT #2887 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Ah, see -- this (err, not your opinion, specifically, Hec, as I don't interact with you in meatspace and don't have to actually face your evaluation on a daily basis) is why I feel such a pressure to Dress Up And Look Pretty, beyond what I would do if I were only pleasing myself.

And I am sorry to add to the cultural pressure. Though to distinguish myself from the cultural norm, I don't want or expect women to conform to a standard Playboy bunny model of appearance. To the contrary, I don't find that look even remotely appealing, nor do I like any single standard of beauty. I like very individual style, which is available to anyone with an imagination.

Also my attraction to personal style is probably a fairly idiosyncratic preference for an elevated sense of intrigue and style-as-social discourse dealie. I probably would have thrived in an ultra-aesthete culture as exemplified by the Heian dynasty in Japan where every gesture was Loaded And Significant.


§ ita § - May 10, 2005 11:35:55 am PDT #2888 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wouldn't say I have a style, so much as a consistency. It is easy, simple, and doesn't require much of a mirror. Which means I'm kinda in awe of a lot of women. But mostly of Jilli - I just couldn't do something so difficult - to shop for, explain, and just put together.