Spike: At least give me Wesley's office since he's gone. Angel: He's not gone. He's on a leave of absence. Spike: Yeah, right. Boo-hoo. Thought he killed his bloody father. Try staking your mother when she's coming on to you! Harmony: Well…that explains a lot.

'Destiny'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


bon bon - Aug 13, 2005 10:12:10 am PDT #1820 of 10458
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Given the description on fandomwank I don't want to read and be spoiled for VM. But the excerpts you guys have posted are incredible. I WISH I had the kind of power that would allow me to unintentionally change whole swathes of feminine sexuality. Plus, wtf?

Women who were attracted to the 'bad boy' type were suddenly being told that they were wrong and that they'd suffer if they acted on their instincts.

No. fucking. way! I was told that if I was attracted to the bad boy type he'd annoy me forever despite needing to be killed ages ago.


Allyson - Aug 13, 2005 10:28:47 am PDT #1821 of 10458
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I will state again, the only thing I'm left completely sure of since Season Six Buffy is that Marti Noxon should not have been given a television show, she should have been given a blog.

For the rest of her life, she'll write stories of fucked up nubile teenage girls luring poor bad boys into the bear trap vagina of doom.

There's gotta be a support group for writers stuck in such a loop. Yawn.


Cass - Aug 13, 2005 10:35:56 am PDT #1822 of 10458
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

Marti Noxon should not have been given a television show, she should have been given a blog.
snerk


joe boucher - Aug 13, 2005 11:16:14 am PDT #1823 of 10458
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

For the rest of her life, she'll write stories of fucked up nubile teenage girls luring poor bad boys into the bear trap vagina of doom.

Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you.

S6 had more problems than Spuffy, but killing Spike would have been a good start. Killing him in a Jenny Calendar way, that is, not a they-killed-Kenny way.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 11:19:43 am PDT #1824 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

S6 had more problems than Spuffy, but killing Spike would have been a good start. Killing him in a Jenny Calendar way, that is, not a they-killed-Kenny way.

If you killed Spike, who would make the most interesting story as his killer? Buffy? Willow? Xander? Drusilla? Angel? Faith?


Narrator - Aug 13, 2005 11:25:40 am PDT #1825 of 10458
The evil is this way?

Any of them would have been equally boring. The character outlived his usefulness and killing him would have been necessary, not interesting. Spike needed killing and the writers just wouldn't do it.


joe boucher - Aug 13, 2005 11:31:23 am PDT #1826 of 10458
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

The Sunnydale Poetry Slam runner-up. "Effulgent?! Bulge in 't?!! Arrggghhh!"<POOOF!!>


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 11:36:15 am PDT #1827 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Any of them would have been equally boring. The character outlived his usefulness and killing him would have been necessary, not interesting. Spike needed killing and the writers just wouldn't do it.

So blase, Narrator? It doesn't inspire any narrative intrigue at all?

The Sunnydale Poetry Slam runner-up.

Now see? That's entertainment.


Lee - Aug 13, 2005 11:36:51 am PDT #1828 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

If you killed Spike, who would make the most interesting story as his killer?

If it had been pre finding out about the attempted rape (while she still trusted him), I vote Dawn.

Throw in Dawn dies too, and they should film it and show it every Christmas.


Narrator - Aug 13, 2005 11:41:45 am PDT #1829 of 10458
The evil is this way?

So blase, Narrator? It doesn't inspire any narrative intrigue at all?

Yeah, and I'm sad about it, too. Because killing a character like that ought to be compelling and pull the narrative/character arcs/etc. forward. But I so didn't care about Spike by the end of the show that I didn't care if he lived, died (again) or opened an office supply store in Las Vegas. I suppose that Xander should have been the one to stake him -- that boy wanted to stake Angel and I guess, maybe, Spike would do. So, fine -- I choose Xander to stake Spike. Or to screw him. I dunno, whatever.