Haven't you killed me enough for one day?

Mal ,'War Stories'


Buffy and Angel 1: BUFFYNANGLE4EVA!!!!!1!

Is it better the second time around? Or the third? Or tenth? This is the place to come when you have a burning desire to talk about an old episode that was just re-run.


DavidS - Aug 13, 2005 11:36:15 am PDT #1827 of 10458
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Any of them would have been equally boring. The character outlived his usefulness and killing him would have been necessary, not interesting. Spike needed killing and the writers just wouldn't do it.

So blase, Narrator? It doesn't inspire any narrative intrigue at all?

The Sunnydale Poetry Slam runner-up.

Now see? That's entertainment.


Lee - Aug 13, 2005 11:36:51 am PDT #1828 of 10458
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

If you killed Spike, who would make the most interesting story as his killer?

If it had been pre finding out about the attempted rape (while she still trusted him), I vote Dawn.

Throw in Dawn dies too, and they should film it and show it every Christmas.


Narrator - Aug 13, 2005 11:41:45 am PDT #1829 of 10458
The evil is this way?

So blase, Narrator? It doesn't inspire any narrative intrigue at all?

Yeah, and I'm sad about it, too. Because killing a character like that ought to be compelling and pull the narrative/character arcs/etc. forward. But I so didn't care about Spike by the end of the show that I didn't care if he lived, died (again) or opened an office supply store in Las Vegas. I suppose that Xander should have been the one to stake him -- that boy wanted to stake Angel and I guess, maybe, Spike would do. So, fine -- I choose Xander to stake Spike. Or to screw him. I dunno, whatever.


bon bon - Aug 13, 2005 12:02:50 pm PDT #1830 of 10458
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I wouldn't have minded a "Xander kills Spike and must hide his awful secret" storyline.


Narrator - Aug 13, 2005 12:05:46 pm PDT #1831 of 10458
The evil is this way?

Only if there's nudity.


Strega - Aug 13, 2005 12:17:08 pm PDT #1832 of 10458

I dimly remember there being foilers about Drusilla killing Spike at some point. That would have been funny. It was something like, at the end of the episode, Spike is talking to someone when he suddenly crumbles to dust, which reveals Dru standing behind him with a stake.


Allyson - Aug 13, 2005 1:10:41 pm PDT #1833 of 10458
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I would have liked to see him trip and stake himself on a broken chair or something.

It'd be a nice change of pace to see the scenery chew him.


Ginger - Aug 13, 2005 1:25:25 pm PDT #1834 of 10458
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

My favorite scenario was one in which I got to kill Spike.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 13, 2005 1:31:33 pm PDT #1835 of 10458
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Harmony should have gotten the chance to do him in. With her precious wooden unicorn figurine. Or perhaps a tragic emery board accident.

Is the slash phenomena the result of all the poor, traumatized het women who had their illusions destroyed by Spuffy?

With regard to the Buffyverse shows, I think it's the result of Eliza Dushku and Christian Kane shooting enough sparks at their respective leads that you could have landed a 747 by the light.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 13, 2005 3:48:02 pm PDT #1836 of 10458
What is even happening?

I liked Spike. It was the Spoldemort faction of his fen that I couldn't stand. Between the Spoldemorts and the kttns, I started having fantasies about bringing down the interbunny, worldwide. Fandom (at large) enriched and enhanced my love for the 'verse for my first few years, and then tried to kill it, from then on in.

I do think in season 7 though, that the writers didn't have a frigging clue what do to with Spike, next. That's too bad. To me, his story read like:

1) We have to have him do something bad enough to motivate him to get a soul.

2) He's different. He has a soul now.

3) Oh shit, that thing he did to motivate him to get the soul was too bad to now let him do what we'd intended for him to do once he had a soul.

4) Maybe we should have him be crazy for a while.

5) Nope. He still ain't coming back from that attempted rape (a.k.a. the a/r in the b/r in SR grr argh).

6) But he's different. He has a soul, now.

7) But he's different. He has a soul, now.

...

100) But he's different. He has a soul, now.