Everything looks good from here... Yes. Yes, this is a fertile land, and we will thrive. We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... 'This Land.' I think we should call it 'your grave!' Ah, curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal! Ha ha HA! Mine is an evil laugh! Now die! Oh, no, God! Oh, dear God in heaven!

Wash ,'Serenity'


Spike's Bitches 22: You've got Angel breath  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risque (and frisque), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Betsy HP - Feb 16, 2005 12:55:34 pm PST #1518 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

And co-sleeping? The bed isn't big enough for me and Stephen, if you ask me.

Not enough word in the WORLD. Actually, as I was falling asleep last night, I was thinking about the nights when there'd be a thunderstorm or a power failure or a flu and there were four people in the waterbed. There was no place to put our feet. I felt half-pleased that my presence helped, and half-furious because I wasn't getting any sleep.


DavidS - Feb 16, 2005 12:56:09 pm PST #1519 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

One of the things I promised myself was I was never going to second guess MM and his methods with Em. If he does something different but gets the same result I would, what do I care? The only time I say anything is if he seems to be having a particularly hard time with her and most of the time, he asks me first, "Ok, what the heck do I do now?" And then I suggest and let him do it. And I tell everyone that's way it should be. That way, the kid gets different comforting and feels more secure in the long run. Or so I think. I could also be full of the shite.

Nope - I think that's incredibly healthy. Also, Joe will have a closer relationship with her.

One thing that was really valuable for EM and I, was just seeing Emmett in his first daycare (at age 5 months). It became very apparent that there wasn't *one* way to be with Emmett. That, in fact, Emmett readily adapted to different people who had different styles. There might be one best way for *that* person to work their parental mojo with the kid - but that's because they build a specific relationship.

And of course you always check in with the other parent for advice. It's a resource. "My way ain't working. What ya got?" "Well, we used to do the bouncy walk, but now I think just the rocking chair."


Daisy Jane - Feb 16, 2005 12:56:18 pm PST #1520 of 10001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

Maybe that would be the interesting article then.


-t - Feb 16, 2005 12:59:56 pm PST #1521 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I have friends who went the Dad Stays Home route for the first year, because Mom made more money, and Dad was temperamentally more suited to staying home with the kid all day. It worked really well for them, but required a lot of explanation a lot of the time. My MiL made a comment once about how the Dad in this situation "doesn't do anything". I wanted to smack her.


Lyra Jane - Feb 16, 2005 1:00:24 pm PST #1522 of 10001
Up with the sun

I"m trying to figure otu if I'm gonna work or stay home once the sprog is sprogged, and that story made both possibilities sound terrifying.

They both are terrifying to me.

I'm with -t and Heather. Staying home would make me bonkers, but I cannot imagine giving an infant to Someone Else for a large chunk of his/her life. And it scares me that the 2005 Slacker Mom, sounds pretty much like she does the kind of parenting my mom -- who I always think of as pretty involved -- did in 1985.

I mean, I know we'll get by, with some combination of working from home and freelancing and daycare. My sisters-in-law have both managed with senses of humor intact, not to mention all of you guys. But it's a really scary decision to make.


Strix - Feb 16, 2005 1:03:10 pm PST #1523 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

My MiL made a comment once about how the Dad in this situation "doesn't do anything". I wanted to smack her.

Oh, god, yes! I've stayed home with L. when I was visiting them, and he worked his fucking ass off. Stay at home parents do; watching two under 3's is hard work.


DavidS - Feb 16, 2005 1:04:46 pm PST #1524 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I was Stay At Home Dad for two months. That was hard work.

I think ideally, one parent only has to work part time for the first two years.

It is really really stressful when both parents work full time. It's not good for the marraige either. t /bitter experience

That noted, I don't think Emmett's been harmed at all spending time in daycares and pre-schools. To the contrary it's been really healthy for him, and I think for us. There's a big difference between being the Most Important Person in your child's life and being The Only Person In Your Child's Life.

Honestly? Emmett was thriving on the kid interaction he got in his first daycare. He was the only baby, in a pack of 2 y.o. I'm convinced it helped him walk early, and helped him develop his speech. He loved the stimulus which was way way more than he could get one-on-one with either his Mom or I focused on him all day.


-t - Feb 16, 2005 1:06:17 pm PST #1525 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

What's amazing to me is that my MiL raised two kids, how can she think it isn't work? Admittedly, for the first couple of years of motherhood she probably had maids and maybe a nanny, but still.


Strix - Feb 16, 2005 1:07:36 pm PST #1526 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Preconception? I mean, stay at home moms still say "Oh, I don't work" meaning they don't have a paying job.


Betsy HP - Feb 16, 2005 1:10:08 pm PST #1527 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

It is really really stressful when both parents work full time. It's not good for the marraige either.

That's kind of a sweeping statement. The first years of childraising are stressful, period. (Unless you do the aristocratic thing and hand the kid off entirely to nannies, visiting them once a day for a kiss on the cheek.)

Having tried both, the year I spent at home full-time with an infant and a toddler was much, much harder on our marriage than the year we both spent working full time with an infant.

Your marriage may vary.