I"m trying to figure otu if I'm gonna work or stay home once the sprog is sprogged, and that story made both possibilities sound terrifying.

They both are terrifying to me.

I'm with -t and Heather. Staying home would make me bonkers, but I cannot imagine giving an infant to Someone Else for a large chunk of his/her life. And it scares me that the 2005 Slacker Mom, sounds pretty much like she does the kind of parenting my mom -- who I always think of as pretty involved -- did in 1985.

I mean, I know we'll get by, with some combination of working from home and freelancing and daycare. My sisters-in-law have both managed with senses of humor intact, not to mention all of you guys. But it's a really scary decision to make.

My MiL made a comment once about how the Dad in this situation "doesn't do anything". I wanted to smack her.

Oh, god, yes! I've stayed home with L. when I was visiting them, and he worked his fucking ass off. Stay at home parents do; watching two under 3's is hard work.

I was Stay At Home Dad for two months. That was hard work.

I think ideally, one parent only has to work part time for the first two years.

It is really really stressful when both parents work full time. It's not good for the marraige either. t /bitter experience

That noted, I don't think Emmett's been harmed at all spending time in daycares and pre-schools. To the contrary it's been really healthy for him, and I think for us. There's a big difference between being the Most Important Person in your child's life and being The Only Person In Your Child's Life.

Honestly? Emmett was thriving on the kid interaction he got in his first daycare. He was the only baby, in a pack of 2 y.o. I'm convinced it helped him walk early, and helped him develop his speech. He loved the stimulus which was way way more than he could get one-on-one with either his Mom or I focused on him all day.

What's amazing to me is that my MiL raised two kids, how can she think it isn't work? Admittedly, for the first couple of years of motherhood she probably had maids and maybe a nanny, but still.

Preconception? I mean, stay at home moms still say "Oh, I don't work" meaning they don't have a paying job.

It is really really stressful when both parents work full time. It's not good for the marraige either.

That's kind of a sweeping statement. The first years of childraising are stressful, period. (Unless you do the aristocratic thing and hand the kid off entirely to nannies, visiting them once a day for a kiss on the cheek.)

Having tried both, the year I spent at home full-time with an infant and a toddler was much, much harder on our marriage than the year we both spent working full time with an infant.

Your marriage may vary.

My mother was back at work within a couple months after birthing me. She had in home care for both us kids the entire time we lived in Jamaica -- it's how the middle class and above is raised. Her sister exported this to the US, and had the daughter of the woman who raised her, raise her kids all the way till they went off to college. Said "raiser" then went on to help raise the kids of two other cousins -- one was a single mother in med school, and the other works from home and one of her two kids is special needs.

Nanny isn't the right word in this scenario, since Donna's part of the family. A huge part. I have no idea how much she gets paid, but she's a stay at home surrogate mom -- she has very little of a social life or other outlets. She's also brilliant at it, and a selfish part of me is sad that I probably won't get her to help with my putative children.

It seems strange in an American environment, but in Jamaica it was much more like a village doing the raising (Donna's mother quit school at 13 to help raise one of my aunts). Not only are mothers asked to be earners and primary care parents, but I think the unofficial support structures are shrinking away, as families and communities spread across the country and world.

He was the only baby, in a pack of 2 y.o. I'm convinced it helped him walk early, and helped him develop his speech. He loved the stimulus which was way way more than he could get one-on-one with either his Mom or I focused on him all day.

I'm going to keep this thought with me over the next few weeks. I have had to start calling it "school" instead of "daycare" so I don't start crying. "Daycare" seems so cold a word. Like she'll get lost in a jumble of kids. BUT, she'll be the baby with 3 other year plus olds, so she'll gets lots of attention. And, it *is* a school. I just...but...they don't do it like we do!!

Actually, I didn't give the whole context of the comment, but the implication was that he's always been a bum who jumped at the chance to have his wife supporting him.

I have come to think that day cares and pre-schools are really good for kids, if only because there aren't many other opportunities for children to interact. Or so it seems in my neighborhood, anyway. Even so, the thought of putting my own child into day care is scary - I can't rationally think of an age when I would be okay with it. Ah, separation anxiety.

I also felt guilty for leaving the dog at home alone while I was at work for a long time. I got over that.

A trope I'm really tired of is "If you're feeling guilty/worried about X, you should probably stop." You hear it about alcohol. You hear it about sexual practices. You hear it about anything that has a 12-step program.

The thing is, different people have different worry thresholds. Some people don't worry as they're chugging Everclear from a bottle while parked on the railroad tracks. Some people are still feeling embarrassed about that third glass of champagne at a sister's wedding 10 years ago.

Degree of worry does not calibrate to degree of seriousness.

Take me, for instance. My ability to focus my eyes together (binocular vision) is declining drastically. My eye doctor has prescribed therapeutic exercises. Me? I'm worrying myself sick because two possible causes of this problem are MS and myasthenia gravis. (Thanks so much, Google.) That doesn't mean I actually have either.