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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Consuela - Apr 23, 2005 9:14:39 am PDT #1290 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm very excited about Serenity the movie. But I agree that in many ways I prefer television done well to movies done well, because you get all that fabulous time to work with. Movie angst, for instance, doesn't draw me as much as television angst, because I don't have time to get attached to the characters before OMG the PAIN starts. Gradual reveals, slow builds to catastrophe: those I love.

So I'm jazzed about Serenity, because we get more Firefly. But I do see why people would be less than completely enthusiastic about it because it's a movie. Me, I see it as more Firefly, and am happy for that, if not content.


Beverly - Apr 23, 2005 9:20:33 am PDT #1291 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Joss--and others--have said repeatedly that they don't expect the movie to spark interest in reviving Firefly as a series. And what I said about not being able to recreate the gestalt is a big reason why. The cast, the crew, the sets, the writing, the tech...everything was working.

The actors and the designers and the office staff and writers and the grips and the casting people, music people, costume people--everyone has gone on to other things. Part of the cumulative creative effort was the newness of the idea, the concept, and that's not there any more.

It's still a beloved project, in movie form. But, well, "not perfect. Still good."


Frankenbuddha - Apr 23, 2005 9:20:57 am PDT #1292 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oy. This is what I get for posting while drunk.

Anyway, there's no connection to Allyson on THE INSIDE and Allyson on SERENITY except as comparison/contrast.

The passive/agressive comment came from seeing the "I'm tired of the hype" or "Firefly was an abusive boyfriend" (paraphrases) comments when the Firefly movie or fandom commentary on same comes up. These don't criticize the movie per se, but they do kind of piss in the wheaties of anyone psyching themselves up for the movie.


§ ita § - Apr 23, 2005 9:23:47 am PDT #1293 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

they do kind of piss in the wheaties of anyone psyching themselves up for the movie

I wouldn't let Allyson's relationship to Firefly affect your breakfast food any. Why should it? Her loving The Inside isn't going to help me love it, and her not having an interest in Serenity doesn't mean I'm not terribly looking forward to its opening. Why should it? We're not conjoined at the brain.

She hasn't told you not to like it, or criticised you for being excited has she? Even implicitly?


Consuela - Apr 23, 2005 9:27:18 am PDT #1294 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Here's the thing:

Allyson has as much right to be less-than-completely-enthusiastic about Firefly as, say, Jessica or Burrell does. Her position in the fandom doesn't deprive her of her opinion, nor should it chill her exercise of that opinion.

I've gotten a lot of crap about saying publicly how disappointed I was in Farscape S4, and so did Maayan and others involved in the Save Farscape campaign. I don't care. Just because people know your name doesn't mean you have to wear a muzzle.

Allyson gets to say what she thinks.


SailAweigh - Apr 23, 2005 9:30:36 am PDT #1295 of 10001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

piss in the wheaties of anyone psyching themselves up for the movie

I'd say, more, that your Wheaties feel pissed in. Which is fine, we all have our feelings. I've kinda/sorta felt like that upon occassion for various reasons in various threads. I've even thrown guacamole over it once. Once was enough. The thing is, no on is intentionally trying to piss in anyone's anything. We all have our opinions, or lack thereof. There's more than enough room for all of them.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 23, 2005 9:31:12 am PDT #1296 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Oy X2. (previous post was before i read the 30 something that came later)

I raised a kerfuffle. I'm sorry. I am SO looking forward to THE INSIDE.

As I said, it was the implicit dissing of SERENITY that was bugging.


Frankenbuddha - Apr 23, 2005 9:37:51 am PDT #1297 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Well, I tend to respect Allyson's opinions (even when I don't share them - see also late BUFFY and ANGEL). She just seems to be dismissing SERENITY before the fact.

And praising THE INSIDE in the same capacity, but with a little more inside info. Hence the comparisons. If she's got inside info as to why she's so apathetic about SERENITY, that's a whole other thing, but I missed it if she posted it.

Does that make sense?


UTTAD - Apr 23, 2005 10:10:56 am PDT #1298 of 10001
Strawberry disappointment.

I remember getting pissed off at the Beta when people were dissing late Buffy, because it seemed like a lot of posters were saying:

"How can you like this? You are wrong to like this. Here, I will explain why this programme is pony and you will then stop liking it also."

Which struck me as cruel, trying to make someone dislike something the previously liked. Of course other posters (me included!) do, in fact, have brains of their own.

So, whereas Allyson might well be dissing the film, or more correctly the idea of Firefly as a film, it should really have no impact on those that want to see it. You either think that the concept will fly as a movie or not.

I've no idea. I just hope it does. And will be ther on the opening day with bells on.


Gris - Apr 23, 2005 10:19:17 am PDT #1299 of 10001
Hey. New board.

You should have seen the abuse "Spiral" got over in the Buffy thread.

I still like Spiral

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