Well, we're fans, which means we love our shows with passion, and sometimes we get over-invested in them and get obsessive about them. I'd like to think that we can take valid criticism of our beloved shows, or the fact that there are people whom we like and respect, who may just not be into the same things that we do. I know *I* sometimes take it way too personally when others express dislike toward the things I love; I had to take some deep breath and walk away from the board for a bit a few weeks ago, when Allyson said she couldn't watch Veronica Mars because it did nothing for her--and it was this irrational response, like someone kicked my puppy or something, when in fact, Allyson was just simply saying the show didn't work for her. I'd dare say she felt similar when tavella was doubting The Inside would get off the ground.

Being Buffistas, hopefully we can love the shows we love without losing critical faculty, or with unrealistic expectation that everyone would love the things that we love.

Well, I had the point there somewhere, about understanding where both sides are coming from, but I seem to have lost it.

I should have been more specific in my asinine aside. I should have said, "Does this mean there will be no Allyson, Kristen et al produced Serenity party with Hottie security guards in headsets that I will want to come down for, since I know it will be good, and have hottie security guards and other people I know?"

Okay, just so we're clear here, there isn't gonna be a Twoo Wuv test in this thread, right? 'Cause I fucking hate the taste of Grape Kool-Aid.

Well, just a comment - this is the Firefly/Serenity Worship thread, yes?

No. We don't do worship, period. You should have seen the abuse "Spiral" got over in the Buffy thread. Some of us hate particular ME and ME-derived shows, and such people have always been welcome in the appropriate threads.

My assumption is that you're prepared to defend your opinons with reference to fact. That's it.

I should have been more specific in my asinine aside.

You weren't being asinine.

You were being inane.

Whole different vibe.

Allyson was just simply saying the show didn't work for her. I'd dare say she felt similar when tavella was doubting The Inside would get off the ground.

Oh yeah. I wanted to go through the screen, not so much about The Inside, but the speculation on why Fury left LOST. It felt oddly personal and I was like, "dude, you're treating my friend like he's a fictional character whose motives you can speculate upon like he doesn't exist as a person."

You weren't being asinine.

You were being inane.

Whole different vibe.

Oh yeah. Good point.

I think I'm sort of leaning in Allyson's direction. I'm excited about the movie. Okay, fairly insanely excited about the movie, and even a little hopeful about the trilogy thing.

But I honestly thingk that episodic tv was its real format. I think the stories that would have been told suited that format, as they don't quite fit, as they've had to be abbreviated, modified and adapted to fit the theatre screen. Further, I think the gestalt of the show was something that's impossible to recreate, and while I realize that it would also have been impossible to sustain indefinitely, that while it did sustain it would have produced more amazing tv.

I look at BSG, and other sci-fi tv, and see "hand-held" fx shots, hear Firefly music influences, and realize that those shows' audiences never know that Joss' Firefly team pioneered those things. If the series had gone on, I'm sure it would have garnered a larger audience. I hope the film is a huge success. But as good as it is, it's never going to be as satisfying as the first two or three full seasons would have been, for me.

I think it's insane that Joss got the movie made. Insane. And wonderful. I'm with Beverly, though, and Allyson -- in fact, I don't really care if new people start to love Firefly because of Serenity. I want my fix. But ... as a movie franchise? Getting a new long story every few years? If that means people are going "Fuck, Joss, how wrong were we???" then my told-you-so side will feel vindicated. But I want the show on my TV. And I accept that's never happening.

So the movie is gravy. Tasty, not-too-salty, full-of-meaty-juices gravy is what I'm hoping for. But still, gravy.

If the series had gone on, I'm sure it would have garnered a larger audience. I hope the film is a huge success. But as good as it is, it's never going to be as satisfying as the first two or three full seasons would have been, for me.

I think that's my break point, also. I'll go to the movie, I might even go twice. I'll undoubtedly buy the DVD when it comes out to add to the series DVDs. But I really wanted the show to go longer. I miss it. Not just the characters, but the show, the format, the episodicness.