Me too.

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The most recent posts aside, the previous tempest in a teacup is precisely why I don't participate much in this forum. Whew! I'm sure you'll excuse me from reading alla that, because I simply lost interest after the third or fourth interpretation.

Apparently, if one posts something that can in any way be construed as even half-glancingly read as negatively hinting at the possibility that someone may or may not have said something not quite satisfactory, then one ends up with a barely sub-nuclear level defense initiative.

Or was that simply special treatment for li'l ole moi? I mean, I know I'm cute'n all, but....

It doesn't seem to matter how much I backfilled, apologized, explained, offered possible alternative readings, stated that this is what I observed, and how this could possibly be a reason for why someone else said something. I tried to adequately cover my ass, I really did - I may have mentioned once or twice how I really didn't want to appear to be ragging on anybody (I paraphrase, naturally) . Now, well, I'm kind of glad some people got their panties all wadded.

For crying out loud! Of the things I said, the word, "worship" seemed to have caused the most offense? Pleeeze. Nothin' wrong with a little hypberbole. And if one cannot see that for what it is, and understand that I am, indeed, an intelligent human being with mad vocabulary skillz, then, well, c'est, as they say, la vie.

I mean, seriously, I could've gone into a long, paragraphical interpretation of this thread and what it means to me, but it seemed, somehow, easier to shorten that to "worship." I see now the error of my mistake.

While I'm on the subject, does anyone comprehend how disengenuous the denial of any type of fan-like enthusiasm is in this particular forum? Anyone? 'Cause participating in a forum that gets its name from, well, Buffy, kind of indicates at least a mild interest, wouldn't that be correct? Wouldn't it be a little silly, not to mention masochistic, to participate in a forum that advertises in the name the presumed interests of the participants, if one were entirely and militantly against these productions?

I ask merely for information.

It doesn't matter if it's high-minded philosophy y'all are discussing, or merely partying hard and getting down. It is the general assumption that folks're here because of a shared interest in one or another Mutant Enemy production.

Yes? No?

While it may seem to others that I'm completely ignorant, unable to walk my way through the thread list and comprehend what each thread entails and the putative subject matter, I feel I must assure people that, in fact, I do understand that there are specific threads for discussing specific things, side-chat and thread drift notwithstanding. Which would be why I offered an explanation as to how it could seem to some that posting even offhandedly anti comments about Serenity in this thread might seem remotely unseemly, and why some might be curious as to the reasons that might occur.

All that being said, I hope everyone else enjoyed this hoo-ha as much as I did. It's been a laff riot! ;-D

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Me three.

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Checked in. Saw a gazillion post in Firefly and thought "Somebody got an early peek at the trailer!"

Silly me.

I certainly hope Buffistas doesn't devolve into a "Serenty R0x0r2!!1oneone" board.

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Wouldn't it be a little silly, not to mention masochistic, to participate in a forum that advertises in the name the presumed interests of the participants, if one were entirely and militantly against these productions?

No, because this is a discussion thread, where people air their opinions pro and con. That's the whole POINT. Ree, I am not saying you aren't an intelligent person because it's clear that you are,, but this is not a thread for praising or hyping the movie, it's a thread for discussing the movie.

And I don't get the sense that Allyson is against the the production, just that she preferred the series and is not all hepped up about the movie. I am more excited about the movie than she is, and that's fine. Some folk here are more excited than I am, some less, but every person's opinion matters and can be shared here.

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I agree with Robin as she is wise.

It's the Grand Prix she's dissing.

But this is just sad to me.

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The grand prix of cars going round in a circle? C'mon, now.

Ree, I don't see why anyone cares if Allyson hates or loves Serenity. And unless l'm trying to change your mind, defensive probing of my stance on a show seems odd.

I think we've fuffled before on the idea of hating a show or episode (forget Spiral, think Billy). Mostly we're a bunch of people that care enough to nitpick. There's a lot of love, but it's neither mandated nor 100%. Ever.

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Yeah, cars going round and round... It's madness but I love it mightily.

Mostly we're a bunch of people that care enough to nitpick. There's a lot of love, but it's neither mandated nor 100%. Ever.

This is why I like discussing shows, life, and the serial comma here. We care (and think, independently even) enough to pick the nits.

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Those car races are super loud.

Maybe they should have electric car races instead.

I expect/hope that once things start happening -- like people seeing the trailor -- and there is more of substance to discuss, we will discuss that instead of doing what we're doing now.

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Well, I tend to respect Allyson's opinions (even when I don't share them - see also late BUFFY and ANGEL). She just seems to be dismissing SERENITY before the fact.

And praising THE INSIDE in the same capacity, but with a little more inside info. Hence the comparisons. If she's got inside info as to why she's so apathetic about SERENITY, that's a whole other thing, but I missed it if she posted it.

Does that make sense?

I think it would be more helpful to me if you told me what you think I know. If that makes any kind of sense.

Ree, you asked a question, if this was a worship thread. The answer is no, you were told it was not, and you seem to think that you got beaten up over it. This confuses me.

The fact of the matter is, if, say, I saw Serenity, and thought it verily blew, I could come and here and say so, and explain why. As long as I don't spoil the plot. And if my opinion is so important that it affects someone else's excitement, I'm baffled by the amount of power I seem to have.

I know what the concepts are, what the movie is about, how it looks, and it's no more interesting to me than say, Ring Two. Which is to say, I think it'll be entertaining for what it is, but my life could go by without seeing it, and I may catch it on TNT some rainy Sunday afternoon in between folding laundry and dusting. I don't see this as much of a diss, really.

And since I hearted the series so much, and am a fairly active Buffista, that statement is just as worthy in this thread as statements about people who plan to kill to be first in line at every showing. It's about Firefly, Serenity, and my thoughts/feelings about it, so at the least, it's on-topic.

Frank, I certainly don't think anyone who is frothing about Serenity is stupid or misguided. I don't think that people who like cilantro are stupid and misguided. It's a different taste.

Given my personal experiences with Firefly, which are vastly different than most of the fandom since I collaborated a bit with the show in an effort to save save it, and stood on the ship, and gave up sleep and a life for a few months for it, my feelings toward Firefly/Serenity are going to influenced by all that. It wasn't an overwhelmingly positive experience in the end. A lot happened afterward that made me feel foolish for caring that much. So it's a little...personal.

As for The Inside, it seems you're making assumptions based on...I don't know. What could you possibly know what sort of information I have on either series?

The truth of it is, I wouldn't say, here, what the depth of my knowledge is on either series. It feels a bit like showing off, and it's an odd thing sometimes to be both a fan and a friend. People speculate on things sometimes, and I know exactly what happened. Can't say, it would be a betrayal. It's sometimes maddening.

It goes like this:

Someone speculates on some meta issue and says something not only untrue, but also hurtful. The person is not aware that it is hurtful.

I say, "that's not the truth at all."

Someone says, "who the hell are you and why should we believe you?"

I can say, "I was there," or, "we talked about it for two hours last night on the phone and he wasn't even in town," or, "because I'm Allyson, asshole."

I know far more about The Inside than I do about Serenity, but there's more of The Inside to know, so there's that. I've read almost every script, and have been listening to Tim talk about this concept since Wonderfalls ended a year ago. I feel peripherally like I'm a part of it because it's been a big chunk of what my friend is living and breathing. we've talked it through and debated it. I have folders filled with screenshots. I know when there's meetings and how they turn out and what the difficulties and successes have been.

I know these things as a friend, not as a fan, so I wouldn't come and report back, "Tim had a meeting with Dana, he wore a blue jacket and they talked a lot about changing the look of a character."

It's (continued...)

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