Ben: I didn't ask for any of this. I just want to be normal. Gronx: I wanted to be an underwear model. We play the hand we're dealt.

'Touched'


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Frankenbuddha - Oct 26, 2004 7:08:38 am PDT #5062 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I feel dirty, now.

And not in that good way, I bet.


Vonnie K - Oct 26, 2004 7:09:53 am PDT #5063 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

The Grudge seems to be getting thrashed by the critics at large. I don't know. I loved The Ring, despite the incoherence of the plot. It had atmosphere and terrific cinematography and some genuine pathos. The word around is, The Grudge makes The Ring look like narrative masterpiece. Is it really that bad?


Sean K - Oct 26, 2004 7:15:18 am PDT #5064 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Is it really that bad?

Eff 'em. Eff 'em all. The critics, that is...

I think the mainstream critics are trashing it because they need long-winded explanations, or, I don't know.... a bunch of stuff that makes for crappy horror (if you ask me). Or they just don't like horror movies (critics usually don't).

All the small press critics I've reead *love* it. I loved the original, and from what I've heard, they're faithful enough to it that I'm sure I'll love this one (though not as much as I loved the original).

Vonnie, I strongly urge you to ignore the critics trashing it and go see it. I think it will be very good (meaning it will scare the crap out of you).


Sean K - Oct 26, 2004 7:17:38 am PDT #5065 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Serial:

Though, as far as narrative.... I also think the critics are too needing of narrative coherence. The Grudge does jump around a little, without warning, and they expect you to keep up. So if you are like a mainstream critic, and can't handle a movie that expects you to bring your brain along, you might not like it.

I expect you'll be able to follow along, where critics had a tougher time of it.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2004 7:29:18 am PDT #5066 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So if you are like a mainstream critic, and can't handle a movie that expects you to bring your brain along, you might not like it.

Sean, considering you haven't seen the film yet, perhaps you could refrain from implying that my husband (who found the film solidly mediocre) is an idiot who just couldn't follow the plot. Just a thought.


§ ita § - Oct 26, 2004 7:32:14 am PDT #5067 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The feedback I've gotten from people who've seen it has been that it's startling, and left them very jumpy, but not that it's creepy or scary outside of that.

My preferred horror is the creepy sort, since running up behind me and yelling boo sometimes startles.

Oddly, the image that has stuck with me worst from horror movies is from a not-that-good-one -- Langoliers. Something about the fog beyond which there is nothing -- got me solidly the next few times I flew, and it always comes to mind going through the frequent fogbanks on my way to work.


Sean K - Oct 26, 2004 7:34:16 am PDT #5068 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Sean, considering you haven't seen the film yet, perhaps you could refrain from implying that my husband (who found the film solidly mediocre) is an idiot who just couldn't follow the plot. Just a thought.

Uh.... WHOOPS!

For what it's worth, I don't consider Fone Bone a mainstream critic (which is not meant to belittle the publication he works for, just meant to imply I hold him in higher regard than that).

But your point is taken.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2004 7:51:13 am PDT #5069 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But your point is taken.

Thank you.


Vonnie K - Oct 26, 2004 8:19:54 am PDT #5070 of 10001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

My preferred horror is the creepy sort, since running up behind me and yelling boo sometimes startles.

This is me, as well. Things that get under your skin insidiously. I don't particularly like being startled and I dislike gore, but I love being spooked, the kind of spooked that makes me remember that particular moment in the film days, weeks afterward and do a full-body shudder.

Sounds like I'll have to go see it for myself.


§ ita § - Oct 26, 2004 8:23:09 am PDT #5071 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The horror of the end of The Ring took a couple weeks to hit me, but when it did, it hit hard. It was just so appalling a resolution.

I liked that.