I just realized I sure used "all" a lot in my complaints about "all."
This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?
Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Kiba Rika - Jun 17, 2005 9:01:51 am PDT #9537 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.
Jessica - Jun 17, 2005 9:02:48 am PDT #9538 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
Did you know that Dude was into S&M?
If it matters that she knew, then that line between BDSM and assault just got incredibly blurry.
But I still don't think that excuses it or, honestly, even mitigates it. If my hypothetical date likes skydiving and I say, "Oh that sounds cool. Tell me more." I doubt that would lead to the assumption that it's okay to toss me out of plane without my consent after creme brulee.
This, exactly.
Kiba Rika - Jun 17, 2005 9:05:47 am PDT #9539 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.
I'm going to go nap now. Thank you all for a discussion of BDSM that proved quite enlightening and made me question my own judgements and ideas about how the world works. Buffistas are the foamiest.
Kevin - Jun 17, 2005 9:06:39 am PDT #9540 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Have fun, Kiba. And remember: dream of spanking.
§ ita § - Jun 17, 2005 9:08:57 am PDT #9541 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If my hypothetical date likes skydiving and I say, "Oh that sounds cool. Tell me more." I doubt that would lead to the assumption that it's okay to toss me out of plane without my consent after creme brulee.
If your date likes, say, kissing and then starts kissing you without asking, or goes for your buttons or under the skirt -- same degree of bad?
Or is your date taking place in the plane, with the cargo door open? Does he shove you out of the plane, or put on your gear and then take it off when you freak?
The sounds you hear are of me stretching an analogy until it snaps.
Topic!Cindy - Jun 17, 2005 9:12:36 am PDT #9542 of 10001
What is even happening?
It's not any squickier than some things I know you've seen. I thought the episode was really fascinating (even if all the parts didn't exactly work for me). It's an interesting subject--proven by the interesting discussion here.
Okay. My mind went straight to Faith torturing Wesley here, was that intentional?
Jessica - Jun 17, 2005 9:14:02 am PDT #9543 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
What if instead of cuffing her, he'd smacked her in the face? Would that count as assault?
Vortex - Jun 17, 2005 9:14:46 am PDT #9544 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
What if instead of cuffing her, he'd smacked her in the face? Would that count as assault?
yes, as would cuffing her
brenda m - Jun 17, 2005 9:16:09 am PDT #9545 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
If I were going to read something unpleasant into the episode, I think that might be it - if I were looking for things - that there's some indication that women who are powerful outside the bedroom particularly enjoy the switch of feeling (though not being) powerless inside it.
This bugged me a bit, but from a different angle - I didn't find the emphasis was on how powerful these women were, but how emotionally lacking.
Jessica - Jun 17, 2005 9:18:47 am PDT #9546 of 10001
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
yes, as would cuffing her
That's the point I've been arguing (badly). I just wonder if the difference for some people is that putting her in restraints didn't physically harm her.