And what's the fun in becoming an immortal demon if you're not regular, am I right?

The Mayor ,'End of Days'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Polter-Cow - Jun 09, 2005 6:46:02 am PDT #8487 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Ganked from TWoP:

MediaWeek:

In series-premiere news, although Fox drama The Inside kicked-off with a modest (and fourth-place) 3.8/ 6 in the overnights, 4.71 million viewers and a 2.0/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m., comparably that was an increase from a repeat of lead-in Stacked (Overnights: #5, 2.8/ 5; Viewers: #5, 3.82 million; A18-49: #4, 1.8/ 6 at 8:30 p.m.), of 36 percent in the overnights, 890,000 viewers and 11 percent among adults 18-49.

zap2it:

The dark drama "The Inside" debuted to a 3.2/5 on FOX.

So the numbers aren't stellar. How did House premiere?


Kiba Rika - Jun 09, 2005 6:47:54 am PDT #8488 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

Would Webster be a tip of the nib to Webster as in dictionary? He who has lots of data and answers, but you have to really look into him to see what they are? Or John Webster as in "The Duchess of Malfi" and "The Devil's Law-Case"?

Boyfriend and I were discussing this, and I think we have decided we prefer John Webster. I was reminded of John Webster's line in "Shakespeare in Love" - "I like Titus Andronicus." Is so perfect, really.

Speaking as a head case, the absolute lowest part of depression is disassociation, where you're floating outside of yourself, and it's like watching yourself in a movie.

Allyson, I have never heard this described so aptly. I always said it felt like I was in a car and life was going on on the other side of the windshield. But this is so better. It is not hard at all to do bad things to yourself, from a head-place, in this state. But as you pointed out, the physical can be a problem, because your nerves still work.

My favorite part was when she said, "The fourth victim, Allyson Beatrice."

I squealed here. And then said "I KNOW HER!" to my boyfriend. And then mused, "I wonder if she likes being dead?"

...I didn't get to watch the show until just now, cuz I was at a play thingy (rehearsal? meeting? I'm not sure, and I was there) when it aired and then went to bed when I got home. But here were my thoughts:

  • I saw the end of the teaser coming, and not because I'd watched it online (I hadn't, because my computer speakers are in storage) - but it was the kind of "see it coming" where you feel all proud of yourself and stuff, not where you are like "Man, I totally saw that coming... and thus was unsurprised, which is bad." It is more like, "I put the puzzle pieces together and it made a pretty picture! Yay!"

  • At first, Rachel Nichols reminded me of Morena Baccarin. I felt her delivery was very formal, slightly awkward, which worked for Inara (once I saw the eps in order /grumble) but took some time for me to get used to with Rebecca. After discussion with boyf, we determined that since it was obviously a choice, it did not bug.

  • We have dubbed Danny "Jayne-in-a-Suit." It's a problem. With us. We have problems.

  • I actually got excited about seeing Gareth Davies in the credits. It wasn't as expected as the other exciting names (Tim, Jane, et al).

  • Rob Kral really brings it. I am so pleased.

  • Later, I got the River-vibe from Rebecca (during the walk-through-the-house scene). And I *loved* it. LOVED. Crazy smart girl narrates things from other people's perspectives gives me a happy.

  • Web is the man. THE MAN. Boyf LURVES him. I thought he was wicked cool, in a "Boy, I'm glad he's not my boss," way. You go, Peter Coyote.

  • Katie Finneran is so fabulously Scully, and I mean that with the highest praise.

  • Paul is the type of character to whom I normally say, "Shut UP, man!" But here I hearted him. It's always good when you can make me love your conscience-guy, because usually I find them thoroughly irritating.

  • Carter is hot.

  • In the bits with the subway I found myself saying, "Well, here's what Sydney Bristow would do..." It was a good thing, because I love Sydney Bristow more than anyone should love any fictional character, and then Rebecca did a Sydney Bristow-type thing but with her own very special twist on it, and so it was familiar (going with instincts when given orders to do otherwise) but fresh (hesitating rather than just deciding she's right).

  • The lighting was BRILLIANT. Tim, give the person who handles lighting a big, tasty cookie. Because it was BRILLIANT.

  • All in all, good work, and I look forward to more. I may have to participate in a Carrboro watch'n'post event in the future. We shall see.


Dana - Jun 09, 2005 6:49:05 am PDT #8489 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Oh, and the bit in the teaser with the pager going off would have been cool had I not seen the same twist on an episode of E.R., lo these many years ago. TV has spoiled me for TV.


§ ita § - Jun 09, 2005 6:54:42 am PDT #8490 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It strains credibility a bit that a murderer would have his position.

It doesn't strain mine at all. My world may not be full of people with governmental power and weapons abusing them, but there are enough. In the "too many" sense of "enough."

I not seen the same twist on an episode of E.R., lo these many years ago.

The one where the guy being paged was the jumper being worked on? Me, I barely processed the beeper going off, so it didn't twig for me.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 09, 2005 6:56:17 am PDT #8491 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

However unlikely it might be, I really liked the touch of Alvarez doing that to herself as a consequence of getting too far inside the killer's mindset. And staging things in such a way that her death might still be productive and help solve the case that she couldn't in life. It also serves as a warning flag to Rebecca, of where her path could lead her if she follows it too far.

After sleeping on it, I don't think I'm in love with the show yet. (By contrast I fell for Firefly at the drop-kicked-into-the-engine moment, and Wonderfalls had me from even earlier in its teaser than Buffy did.) But it's both enjoyable and excellently made, and I think I'd become a regular watcher even if I didn't feel loyalty to anyone working on it.


David M - Jun 09, 2005 6:56:29 am PDT #8492 of 10001
Putting the plain in plainclothes.

Back from long time lurking because of this bad man for shooting first issue. I have always been annoyed when a killer with a gun and a hostage spends time telling the cop confronting him his life’s story. Think as soon as you tell the killer to “drop the gun” or “let her go” you’ve lost the element of surprise. It seems to me the obvious thing for the perp to do is shoot the guy blocking his escape.

Also, I my be wrong, but I thought an officer (or agent) can use deadly force if he “believes” his life or that of a third party is in danger. This was not a unarmed man. You point a gun at a cop I think they are going to shoot first.


Kalshane - Jun 09, 2005 6:57:29 am PDT #8493 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Oh, can I second how absolutely horrible that lead-in sitcom was? I had to put it on mute and my cousin went outside, telling me to let him know when it was over.


Kiba Rika - Jun 09, 2005 7:01:08 am PDT #8494 of 10001
I may have to seize the cat.

After sleeping on it, I don't think I'm in love with the show yet.

I feel this way, too. My words were something like, "I'm trying, I'm trying really hard to love it, but I'm coming up all like."


Dana - Jun 09, 2005 7:04:27 am PDT #8495 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

The one where the guy being paged was the jumper being worked on? Me, I barely processed the beeper going off, so it didn't twig for me.

Yeah. I thought it was hugely effective on E.R., whereas here, I saw it coming as soon as they paged her. It must be really difficult to write for TV in an age where so many people are so familiar with the conventions.


DXMachina - Jun 09, 2005 7:04:53 am PDT #8496 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

Sorry, Web shooting first bothers me a lot, and it took me out of the story. So did the bit where Rebecca pointed the gun at Paul, and there was no comment. The fact that there was a cut scene that did address it really doesn't wash, because if I wasn't in this thread, I'd never have known it. I think this is a case of as much as I like the style of the show, and like Tim's dialogue, the basic premise just doesn't work for me. Probably not gonna be my show.