You guys had a riot? On account of me? A real riot?

Jayne ,'Jaynestown'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Calli - Jun 09, 2005 6:21:09 am PDT #8477 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

The broken plant still looked pretty green when Rebecca was messing with it. I'd say the last victim couldn't have been gone long after dropping it.


§ ita § - Jun 09, 2005 6:27:14 am PDT #8478 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Does Web shooting first make him a bad man, or does it make for a bad show? I see the former and completely miss the latter. I don't expect him to be singing Redemption Song next ep.

No one's asking me to leave my kids with him, like him, or even sympathise with him.


msbelle - Jun 09, 2005 6:28:38 am PDT #8479 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

oh, just a bad man. a bad man on a good show.


DXMachina - Jun 09, 2005 6:31:17 am PDT #8480 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.

I see the former and completely miss the latter.

It strains credibility a bit that a murderer would have his position.


Kat - Jun 09, 2005 6:31:56 am PDT #8481 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I don't expect him to be singing Redemption Song next ep.

if he does, I'm not watching anymore.


Polter-Cow - Jun 09, 2005 6:32:13 am PDT #8482 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It strains credibility a bit that a murderer would have his position.

Only three people know how that actually went down, and none will tell. Especially since one of them's dead.


DavidS - Jun 09, 2005 6:32:29 am PDT #8483 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Can't help you there, David. I'm with Consuela -- impossible, well, not IMPOSSIBLE, but unrealistic? Probably. But cool? For me, yep. I want the big, epic, pulpy story turns. And occasionally the big, cheesy, slightly over ripe line. For me that's what this show is for.

This I get. And I think I would've gotten it without creator explanation after a few episodes. I completely respect that every show (or movie or book) represents its own world, and doesn't necessarily have to conform to reality as I know it.

You throw some vampires into the mix, or set it in the future and you immediately create a little wiggle room for expressionist touches, or playing your metaphors out with a little more juicy opera. You set it in the real world, and it takes more time to establish the milieu. The only thing that matters is that it's internally consistent.

That's one thing we talked a lot about with late seasons of Buffy, actually. That the show lost something as it moved away from its broader metaphorical grounding and tried to play out the character's stories in more realistic terms. There was some dissonance with that.

Consuela, didn't the Raiders just get off again after a second trial?


msbelle - Jun 09, 2005 6:33:12 am PDT #8484 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

really? on a TV show? especially a dark one?

I can believe it. Hell I think big bossmen and elected officials have bodies buried in their lawns about half the time in reallife.


Lilty Cash - Jun 09, 2005 6:36:42 am PDT #8485 of 10001
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

Web's shooting first makes a bad man and a forking great show.

I really do love the relationships and possibilities that have been set up to itty bitty pieces, and when I try to lay out my thoughts on the show, I get all excited and start to type too fast. I can't wait for more.


Jessica - Jun 09, 2005 6:41:20 am PDT #8486 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The suspect had just confessed to 9 murders and was holding one of his agents at gunpoint.

Given that this is the TV FBI, I don't have a problem with Web being able to make that shooting look completely justified when he turns in his report.