Oh, and the bit in the teaser with the pager going off would have been cool had I not seen the same twist on an episode of E.R., lo these many years ago. TV has spoiled me for TV.

It strains credibility a bit that a murderer would have his position.

It doesn't strain mine at all. My world may not be full of people with governmental power and weapons abusing them, but there are enough. In the "too many" sense of "enough."

I not seen the same twist on an episode of E.R., lo these many years ago.

The one where the guy being paged was the jumper being worked on? Me, I barely processed the beeper going off, so it didn't twig for me.

However unlikely it might be, I really liked the touch of Alvarez doing that to herself as a consequence of getting too far inside the killer's mindset. And staging things in such a way that her death might still be productive and help solve the case that she couldn't in life. It also serves as a warning flag to Rebecca, of where her path could lead her if she follows it too far.

After sleeping on it, I don't think I'm in love with the show yet. (By contrast I fell for Firefly at the drop-kicked-into-the-engine moment, and Wonderfalls had me from even earlier in its teaser than Buffy did.) But it's both enjoyable and excellently made, and I think I'd become a regular watcher even if I didn't feel loyalty to anyone working on it.

Back from long time lurking because of this bad man for shooting first issue. I have always been annoyed when a killer with a gun and a hostage spends time telling the cop confronting him his life’s story. Think as soon as you tell the killer to “drop the gun” or “let her go” you’ve lost the element of surprise. It seems to me the obvious thing for the perp to do is shoot the guy blocking his escape.

Also, I my be wrong, but I thought an officer (or agent) can use deadly force if he “believes” his life or that of a third party is in danger. This was not a unarmed man. You point a gun at a cop I think they are going to shoot first.

Oh, can I second how absolutely horrible that lead-in sitcom was? I had to put it on mute and my cousin went outside, telling me to let him know when it was over.

After sleeping on it, I don't think I'm in love with the show yet.

I feel this way, too. My words were something like, "I'm trying, I'm trying really hard to love it, but I'm coming up all like."

The one where the guy being paged was the jumper being worked on? Me, I barely processed the beeper going off, so it didn't twig for me.

Yeah. I thought it was hugely effective on E.R., whereas here, I saw it coming as soon as they paged her. It must be really difficult to write for TV in an age where so many people are so familiar with the conventions.

Sorry, Web shooting first bothers me a lot, and it took me out of the story. So did the bit where Rebecca pointed the gun at Paul, and there was no comment. The fact that there was a cut scene that did address it really doesn't wash, because if I wasn't in this thread, I'd never have known it. I think this is a case of as much as I like the style of the show, and like Tim's dialogue, the basic premise just doesn't work for me. Probably not gonna be my show.

For me, as usual, it's authorial intent. I see that Tim wants me to excuse Rebecca training a gun on Paul, but I also see how Paul would let that slide without the cut scene. I don't see that Tim wants me to excuse Web anything -- even without the shot, so far he's a pretty despicable guy. I guess shooting first is something he seemed capable of -- I'm not surprised he did it, so much as I'm surprised it was written into a network show.

Our law enforcement training teaches us to enter rooms with guns at "low ready" -- pointing down at 45 degrees. If Rebecca had gone from low ready to aiming at Paul, I think I'd be bothered more. But if I'm a newbie entering a building, and my gun is raised and I whirl with it raised and my finger off the trigger (as hers was), and it was Paul (as in, not Danny), I can definitely buy how it played out.

Yeah. I thought it was hugely effective on E.R., whereas here, I saw it coming as soon as they paged her.

Dana, how did you guess that the victim was the missing Alvarez? Because they didn't know when they paged her that the body was hers.