Buffy ,'Chosen'
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
The socialization thing has always struck me as a boondoggle: of course women fight as much as men. They're trained to use slightly different weapons, but they definitely fight.
Right, but isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
Yeah, but in terms of online presence, I think there's a difference between Usenet and, say, Usenet + mailing lists + web archive. Although I am not a fandom historian and don't know when Gossamer was established vs. Trekiverse, but Trekiverse was (and may still be) just an archive for stories posted to ASCEM.
And Dana resurrects the Sondheim.
Babylon 5?
Yes, thank you. That one I wouldn't swear to about the proportion of men to women, but I also think that fandom was hugely shaped by JMS' active participation in it.
If I were really good at rhetoric, I would say "Ah, ", where X is the rhetorical term for the part used to represent the whole.
Unfortunately, I forget that word.
Synecdoche?
isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.
isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
Well, yes. I wasn't trying to claim that socialization doesn't occur; but that goal-orientation in socialization (like "women are trained to cooperate") may be learned on the surface, but the deep programming seems to contradict the stated goal with ease.
Where is the evidence XY can't/won't do this? How are you defining your "this"?
I'm confused and seek clarification.
I'm confused and seek clarification.
I don't see the sense of that chick's quote. What's gender got to do with the price of tea in China?
I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.
ita, I agree with that, actually.
Nutty, I'm torn about what the nature/nurture spilt really is. I used to be much more in the nurture camp, but I think I'm right in the middle now.