Babylon 5?

Yes, thank you. That one I wouldn't swear to about the proportion of men to women, but I also think that fandom was hugely shaped by JMS' active participation in it.

If I were really good at rhetoric, I would say "Ah, ", where X is the rhetorical term for the part used to represent the whole.

Unfortunately, I forget that word.

Synecdoche?

isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?

I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.

isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?

Well, yes. I wasn't trying to claim that socialization doesn't occur; but that goal-orientation in socialization (like "women are trained to cooperate") may be learned on the surface, but the deep programming seems to contradict the stated goal with ease.

Where is the evidence XY can't/won't do this? How are you defining your "this"?

I'm confused and seek clarification.

I'm confused and seek clarification.

I don't see the sense of that chick's quote. What's gender got to do with the price of tea in China?

I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.

ita, I agree with that, actually.

Nutty, I'm torn about what the nature/nurture spilt really is. I used to be much more in the nurture camp, but I think I'm right in the middle now.

I don't see the sense of that chick's quote.

Ah. I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"

It would seem that the answer would be, "Well, it was mostly women in the 'net fandom, where the campaign began."

So either the audience skewed female, or the internet fandom skewed female, and then you can ask why that was so.

Is there a "Save Point Pleasant" campaign?

I saw a petition, and visiting the official site tells me not much of anything, except that I suspect I'm right that PP's target audience is 13 year old girls who cut themselves so that they can feel, while listening to Blink 182.

Gilligan claims that girls prefer consensus and boys prefer hierarchy, but that growing up is a process of learning to "get" the other gender's comfort zone. Girls want popualrity and boys want status, and that drives their behavior. I remember when I was teaching, a soccer coach, who had switched to the girl's team for the term, was FLOORED that several girls wanted to switch out of the "A" (better) team because their friends hadn't made it in. In 18 years of coaching boys the same age, that had never happened.

I think these differences are socialized and hopefully grow less limiting over time.