isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?

Well, yes. I wasn't trying to claim that socialization doesn't occur; but that goal-orientation in socialization (like "women are trained to cooperate") may be learned on the surface, but the deep programming seems to contradict the stated goal with ease.

Where is the evidence XY can't/won't do this? How are you defining your "this"?

I'm confused and seek clarification.

I'm confused and seek clarification.

I don't see the sense of that chick's quote. What's gender got to do with the price of tea in China?

I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.

ita, I agree with that, actually.

Nutty, I'm torn about what the nature/nurture spilt really is. I used to be much more in the nurture camp, but I think I'm right in the middle now.

I don't see the sense of that chick's quote.

Ah. I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"

It would seem that the answer would be, "Well, it was mostly women in the 'net fandom, where the campaign began."

So either the audience skewed female, or the internet fandom skewed female, and then you can ask why that was so.

Is there a "Save Point Pleasant" campaign?

I saw a petition, and visiting the official site tells me not much of anything, except that I suspect I'm right that PP's target audience is 13 year old girls who cut themselves so that they can feel, while listening to Blink 182.

Gilligan claims that girls prefer consensus and boys prefer hierarchy, but that growing up is a process of learning to "get" the other gender's comfort zone. Girls want popualrity and boys want status, and that drives their behavior. I remember when I was teaching, a soccer coach, who had switched to the girl's team for the term, was FLOORED that several girls wanted to switch out of the "A" (better) team because their friends hadn't made it in. In 18 years of coaching boys the same age, that had never happened.

I think these differences are socialized and hopefully grow less limiting over time.

I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"

From the segue, it would seem the most natural thing would be for it to explain why women were sending their underwear to a third party.

Except -- men don't wear bras, and the message delivered by used boxers is completely unproductive. So that can't have been the question.

From there, I expanded it all the way out to "Why do women save shows?" Which is a judgement call on my part, but I got no other reason to stop at any point inbetween. The bit where you're assuming the answer isn't to "why is it that women lead this campaign?" but to an unspecified follow on question to an answer we didn't get -- way more work than my brain is comfortable with doing on someone else's work.

I spent a lot of time on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 back in the day, and my impression was that it was mostly male and certainly shaped by JMS's pretty much daily participation. The fact that internet-based fandom seems to have become largely female is interesting to me, in that old school sf fandom certainly had more men than women.

And as far as I know, B5 never had the fanfic presence that either Trek or X-Files did/does.