Yeah, but in terms of online presence, I think there's a difference between Usenet and, say, Usenet + mailing lists + web archive. Although I am not a fandom historian and don't know when Gossamer was established vs. Trekiverse, but Trekiverse was (and may still be) just an archive for stories posted to ASCEM.
Anya: Are you stupid or something? Giles: Allow me to answer that question with a firing.
'Sleeper'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:34:38 am PST #5053 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:35:07 am PST #5054 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
And Dana resurrects the Sondheim.
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:35:22 am PST #5055 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Babylon 5?
Yes, thank you. That one I wouldn't swear to about the proportion of men to women, but I also think that fandom was hugely shaped by JMS' active participation in it.
shrift - Mar 07, 2005 11:38:10 am PST #5056 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty
If I were really good at rhetoric, I would say "Ah, ", where X is the rhetorical term for the part used to represent the whole.
Unfortunately, I forget that word.
Synecdoche?
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:38:49 am PST #5057 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.
Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:38:50 am PST #5058 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
Well, yes. I wasn't trying to claim that socialization doesn't occur; but that goal-orientation in socialization (like "women are trained to cooperate") may be learned on the surface, but the deep programming seems to contradict the stated goal with ease.
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:39:20 am PST #5059 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Where is the evidence XY can't/won't do this? How are you defining your "this"?
I'm confused and seek clarification.
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:41:32 am PST #5060 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I'm confused and seek clarification.
I don't see the sense of that chick's quote. What's gender got to do with the price of tea in China?
Pix - Mar 07, 2005 11:42:03 am PST #5061 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.
I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.
ita, I agree with that, actually.
Nutty, I'm torn about what the nature/nurture spilt really is. I used to be much more in the nurture camp, but I think I'm right in the middle now.
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:45:34 am PST #5062 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I don't see the sense of that chick's quote.
Ah. I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"
It would seem that the answer would be, "Well, it was mostly women in the 'net fandom, where the campaign began."
So either the audience skewed female, or the internet fandom skewed female, and then you can ask why that was so.