Lorne: You know what they say about people who need people. Connor: They're the luckiest people in the world. Lorne: You been sneaking peeks at my Streisand collection again, Kiddo? Connor: Just kinda popped out.

'Time Bomb'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Pix - Mar 07, 2005 11:42:03 am PST #5061 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.

I would say yes, but most often I read things along the line of "women don't fight, they hug." That's not the same thing as saying men prefer overt attacks, women come at you from angles.

ita, I agree with that, actually.

Nutty, I'm torn about what the nature/nurture spilt really is. I used to be much more in the nurture camp, but I think I'm right in the middle now.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:45:34 am PST #5062 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't see the sense of that chick's quote.

Ah. I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"

It would seem that the answer would be, "Well, it was mostly women in the 'net fandom, where the campaign began."

So either the audience skewed female, or the internet fandom skewed female, and then you can ask why that was so.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:50:09 am PST #5063 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is there a "Save Point Pleasant" campaign?

I saw a petition, and visiting the official site tells me not much of anything, except that I suspect I'm right that PP's target audience is 13 year old girls who cut themselves so that they can feel, while listening to Blink 182.


Scrappy - Mar 07, 2005 11:50:38 am PST #5064 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Gilligan claims that girls prefer consensus and boys prefer hierarchy, but that growing up is a process of learning to "get" the other gender's comfort zone. Girls want popualrity and boys want status, and that drives their behavior. I remember when I was teaching, a soccer coach, who had switched to the girl's team for the term, was FLOORED that several girls wanted to switch out of the "A" (better) team because their friends hadn't made it in. In 18 years of coaching boys the same age, that had never happened.

I think these differences are socialized and hopefully grow less limiting over time.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:50:56 am PST #5065 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I interpreted it as if she was asked the question, "why is it that women lead this campaign?"

From the segue, it would seem the most natural thing would be for it to explain why women were sending their underwear to a third party.

Except -- men don't wear bras, and the message delivered by used boxers is completely unproductive. So that can't have been the question.

From there, I expanded it all the way out to "Why do women save shows?" Which is a judgement call on my part, but I got no other reason to stop at any point inbetween. The bit where you're assuming the answer isn't to "why is it that women lead this campaign?" but to an unspecified follow on question to an answer we didn't get -- way more work than my brain is comfortable with doing on someone else's work.


Ginger - Mar 07, 2005 11:53:42 am PST #5066 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I spent a lot of time on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5 back in the day, and my impression was that it was mostly male and certainly shaped by JMS's pretty much daily participation. The fact that internet-based fandom seems to have become largely female is interesting to me, in that old school sf fandom certainly had more men than women.


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:55:02 am PST #5067 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And as far as I know, B5 never had the fanfic presence that either Trek or X-Files did/does.


Jessica - Mar 07, 2005 11:56:32 am PST #5068 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Girls want popualrity and boys want status, and that drives their behavior.

adds another notch to the "factoids I learned online that define me as male" checklist.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:56:47 am PST #5069 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

but to an unspecified follow on question to an answer we didn't get -- way more work than my brain is comfortable with doing on someone else's work.

I used my "Jump to Conclusions" mat. /Office Space

I thinkl these differences are socialized and hopefully grow less limiting over time.

I'm not sure if that's true, or an echo of survival programming from Clan o' da Cavebear days.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:57:23 am PST #5070 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And as far as I know, B5 never had the fanfic presence that either Trek or X-Files did/does.

How integral is fanfic to fandom? It's sort of part of my assumption -- not that you have to necessarily create or consume to be part of fandom, but it's a room in the house.

Could the lack of presense in fandom of the XY be related to the increased importance of fanfic?

As it, that's what's female dominated, and either overshadowed or drove out the manfolk?