Where is the evidence XY can't/won't do this? How are you defining your "this"?Was the claim ever that broad, though? I read it more as XY isn't the usual do-er of this.
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Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 11:29:19 am PST #5046 of 10001
What is even happening?
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:30:59 am PST #5047 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I read it more as XY isn't the usual do-er of this.
I roll that into "won't" without breaking my definition of the term.
Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:31:39 am PST #5048 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Well, and for that matter, there are proved tendencies among brains washed with female hormones that differ from brains washed with male hormones. (The brain + hormone effect being one of the strongest arguments against sex assignment surgery among the intersex.)
But those tendencies are effects all over the brain, and the quantitative difference in scores between the sexes is actually very small. Men tend to be better at rotating objects in their minds; women tend to be better at generating words in a 30-second span; but when you graph scores, you'll find way more overlap between the sexes than difference.
The socialization thing has always struck me as a boondoggle: of course women fight as much as men. They're trained to use slightly different weapons, but they definitely fight. Some of the sex-segregated teams on Survivor in years past have been hilarious in this regard.
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:31:43 am PST #5049 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I'm guessing that the earliest internet fandoms were probably mostly male.
I'm not sure that's true. X-Files is generally acknowledged as the first fandom with a huge online presence, and although it's got more guys in it than most fandoms I'm familiar with, it's still pretty female-centric, and I think it was probably the same way in, say, 1996.
What else hit big online? Forever Knight, which has to be largely female.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:32:56 am PST #5050 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Rec.sf.star-trek predates the X-files by quite a bit.
DXMachina - Mar 07, 2005 11:33:22 am PST #5051 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
What else hit big online?
Babylon 5?
Pix - Mar 07, 2005 11:33:32 am PST #5052 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.
The socialization thing has always struck me as a boondoggle: of course women fight as much as men. They're trained to use slightly different weapons, but they definitely fight.
Right, but isn't the "slightly different weapons" thing evidence of differing socialization?
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:34:38 am PST #5053 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Yeah, but in terms of online presence, I think there's a difference between Usenet and, say, Usenet + mailing lists + web archive. Although I am not a fandom historian and don't know when Gossamer was established vs. Trekiverse, but Trekiverse was (and may still be) just an archive for stories posted to ASCEM.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:35:07 am PST #5054 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
And Dana resurrects the Sondheim.
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:35:22 am PST #5055 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Babylon 5?
Yes, thank you. That one I wouldn't swear to about the proportion of men to women, but I also think that fandom was hugely shaped by JMS' active participation in it.