Betsy and Nutty - thanks so much for the warning. So up to seven words (credited on the same page) is OK?
Willow: It feels like we're going around in circles. Xander: Our circles are going around in circles. We got dizzy circles here.
'Sleeper'
We're Literary 2: To Read Makes Our Speaking English Good
There's more to life than watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer! No. Really, there is! Honestly! Here's a place for Buffistas to come and discuss what it is they're reading, their favorite authors and poets. "Geez. Crack a book sometime."
Typo Boy - Dec 10, 2003 1:11:52 pm PST #194 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Nutty - Dec 10, 2003 1:37:33 pm PST #195 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I don't think it's a hard and fast rule, Gar. It's percentages -- if the source is 100 words long, 1 word is 1%. If the source is 1 million words long, then 500 words are practically nothing.
Long story short: there is probably no way on earth to fit song lyric quotation into fair use, when you are publishing something. I can't think of a publisher in the US who would not insist on requesting permission for every singly music cite, just to be safe.
Betsy HP - Dec 10, 2003 1:38:17 pm PST #196 of 10002
If I only had a brain...
[A writer I know and trust who is published by one of the big publishers] says her publisher lets her get away with seven words of song lyrics per song without buying rights.
Vortex - Dec 10, 2003 7:03:21 pm PST #197 of 10002
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
For the 11 year old mysteries, I'd also recommend the Trixie Belden series (11 or 12 year old protagonist), possibly out of print. I loved mystery/fantasy as a child, why can't I remember more books? Grr.
Kat - Dec 10, 2003 7:15:56 pm PST #198 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I'd also recommend the Trixie Belden series (11 or 12 year old protagonist), possibly out of print.
They're back in print now and being re-released!
deborah grabien - Dec 10, 2003 7:22:08 pm PST #199 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.
I don't know about songs, but with poetry, at least, permission is definitely required. I have the only permission that I know of to use Edna St. Vincent Millay's verses and verse fragments as chapter heads (in And Then Put Out The Light). Her estate insisted on reading the MS first, and then gave permission and waived the fee.
I would imagine living lyricists are at least as strict, no?
Lyra Jane - Dec 11, 2003 7:02:18 am PST #200 of 10002
Up with the sun
But I thought Gar was talking titles, not actual lyrics? Aren't titles fair use regardless?
Aims - Dec 11, 2003 7:05:13 am PST #201 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Trixie! Trixie! Trixie!
deborah grabien - Dec 11, 2003 7:42:42 am PST #202 of 10002
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.
Aren't titles fair use regardless?
Just titles? That, I really don't know about. I did get permission in advance to mention Fairport Convention in "Matty Groves", but that's a very specific version of the song, linked to a particular band.
Would ASCAP or BMI or whoever have that info at their website?
DavidS - Dec 11, 2003 7:48:26 am PST #203 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Would ASCAP or BMI or whoever have that info at their website?
ASCAP, ASSCAP...weird confluence of meanings.